Ah, but you see the flip side of “Obama apologists on the economy” are the Republicans who have been relentlessly campaigning on the idea the Obama is to blame for the bad economy. But:
Obama is not to blame for the bad economy.
The economy is not as bad as it might have been.
So while the Repubs have been able to convince people that Obama is to blame for a bad economy, they’ll be damned if he’ll get any credit for any improvements.
I submit that it’s a lot easier for a president to screw up an economy than it is to fix one.
You are correct. I originally used the word in a way that is commonly used, but I then added the thing about the kid, who is an “apologizer”. I should have left the kid thing out of it. I was wrong about that. My apologies.
Ah, so all my work has not been for naught after all…;)
Err…no. Words do have meanings, inasmuch as people use them in a particular way, but sometimes people use them according to the dictionary. You were chastising people who were using the dictionary denotation of the word because they weren’t using the connotation you attach to the word. That’s absurd.
It’s fine to suggest that a word has certain connotations for you. But it’s silly to suggest that it has those same connotations for everyone, when the ultimate descriptivist device, the dictionary, disagrees.
No I don’t think I was. I was explaining how it was used in the OP. The word is often used imbued with the blind partisanship I described. Do you not agree with that? Do you not agree that the way I described it was the way it was being used in the OP. I mean, it seems to be a pretty common take on the word.
I was laid off at the end of 2008 after close to a decade of wage stagnation. Since the 2008 election, I have had my salary grow more than in the previous 8 years and I have had my stock portfolio double. Thanks Obama.
Of course, neither he nor Bush were responsible for any of the above, but that obviously does not stop any conservatives from being morons as demonstrated in this thread.
You’re complaining about getting fired from… a government job? And you’re blaming Obama? Elect one of these Republican yahoos who wants to defund education and see how THAT works out for you. Moron.
to suggest that we recognize the complicated reality that the economy is getting better, but still isn’t where we want it? I don’t think anybody is saying “the economy is great!” as your strawman assertion suggests. In fact, the last time I heard anybody assert that it was Bush and McCain.
Besides, I was given to understand that if an individual finds themselves unemployed it reflects either a defect of character or the bad choices they’ve made in their life…
Saint Cad, what folks seem to be getting at is that you don’t seem to understand what the various parties stand for. You seem to be railing against the wrong person (Obama).
As far as my limited knowledge goes, the Democrats generally like to see services provided for people, including those who cannot afford them. Education in particular is highly valued, and a publicly funded education system is seen as something that is good for the country. Democrats generally feel that tax rates should be set so that the public systems are well funded, and staffed appropriately by public employees (paid out of tax dollars).
Republicans, on the other hand, have a different approach to both government employment and taxation. In general, they feel that taxes should be lower. Government should be smaller, and those who get a paycheck from a government source should be fewer in numbers.
In general terms, Republicans would be cheering your downsizing (smaller government, less taxes), while Democrats would be not impressed with your downsizing (sacrificing public education for short-sighted gains of tax cuts).
You seem to be confused about the part where Obama is a president with the Democrat party. His party is currently being fought tooth and nail by other branches of government controlled by the Republican Party. These branches are in agreement with what happened to you. Yet you rail against a Democrat president.
Classy. I don’t know the OP or your history with him, but man… can’t you cut him a break for one day, instead of being a superior bitch?
Does it ever end? The sarcasm! the wit!
The country is better with him in the white house? Cite? You can love yourself some Obama and you can love the fact that your guy got in (and a black man to boot! How liberal of you all!), but Obama has not done a bang up job on the economy. In fact, the economy sucks, and I think it may cost him the election later this year, regardless of what stiff suit the pubbies put up.
This is a very big part of it. But 10% figure is a joke. Just got my taxes done, and the woman who does them (and has been doing them for a decade now) said she has seen a surprising number of people come in with reduced incomes from last year, some of them being on unemployment the entire year. The fact is, when a person goes off the unemployment roles, he’s no longer visible by the system. So presto! Everyone can talk about how the economy is turning around, albeit slowly. The economy sucks. I don’t care what party you are affiliated with. You all need to pull your heads out of your asses and take a look around at your communities, friends and relations. If you are still lucky enough to be employed, I’m happy for you. This is beyond party politics at this point.
This sounds like any Republican rant when the Democrats run congress and the Repubs own the white house. It’s an exercise in futility. It’s just a finger pointing exercise that has grown old for me.
I don’t blame Obama for the mess he inherited. I do blame him for the mess that is attributable to him, however. He certainly kept the Bush bailout/checkbook solution philosophy alive and well.
When things get worse and worse, the masses tend to cling to their religion more. If Romney takes the Nomination, I’m guessing he’ll become much more overtly religious to the country than he is today. Santorum is already there. Obama will be spotted walking in and out of some house of religion on a more frequent basis.
Sorry about your job loss. I don’t know who you are your your political affiliation (although based on the comments in the thread I can guess).
I wish any and all of you best of luck in keeping your jobs, or finding one if you are on the bench.
Personal note- I honestly don’t care who wins the WH this year. But whoever does, I’d like to see them stay out of another war, get us out of afghanistan, and let any investment bank that is heading for bankruptcy go down like Frasier vs. Ali.
Treating this as a political thread on public sector job losses, I figure it’s worth flagging this article comparing states where Republicans took over in 2010 to the rest of the country:
Here’s a pdf of a research paper by the same authors with a little more data. I don’t know where Saint Cad lives, but perhaps he ought to look at a different level of government if he wants to bitch at government officials. Speaking as someone who defends Obama on the economy, at least as compared to the Republicans, we’ve been the ones saying that the government shouldn’t be firing public sector workers, so I don’t think we’re the top people to be telling to go fuck ourselves.
You’d do better to blame your state legislature rather than the President–they’re the ones who determine education budgets, not the federal government. I’m sorry you lost your job, but I’m not seeing a correlation. Lots of people get laid off even in a booming economy. You’re a data point, not a statistic.
