# To all the, "Trump is the peace candidate, Hillary will get us in to war," people... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107 "2020-01-08T03:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/61 "2020-01-09T08:23:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Did the articles mention who subdued him? Or at least how many guys leapt at the opportunity? I assume they get Ivanka to distract him with a low cut top and Jared puts something in his Big Mac. ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/62 "2020-01-09T09:55:24Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I think the smarter play for Iran is to exacerbate America’s divide. They would be stupid to attack US civilians, it would push some people into supporting Trump who wouldn’t normally do so. By letting Trump be the unhinged lunatic, Iran keeps America divided and has world public opinion on their side. They should keep it that way, make this a conflict with Trump, not America. They could go after a building outside the US with Trump’s name on it, one that isn’t actually owned by Trump. Do something non-violent like rip the Trump logo off or graffiti over it. Just to see if Trump is unhinged enough to use government resources to avenge a personal slight. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/63 "2020-01-09T10:33:47Z")
I thought that too, in fact I thought for sure that Trump branded buildings would become targets for anti-American protestors everywhere. Mostly though, I see people in DC flipping off his hotel downtown, me included. I have a pic of my wife on the way to the women’s march giving it the finger with her elderly mother. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/64 "2020-01-09T11:05:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Meh. Y’all know perfectly well that if Hillary had been elected and had done exactly what Trump did, the SDMB would be applauding her courage and statesmanship. > > Regards, > Shodan Yeah, like the way we applauded when the Obama Administration targeted U.S. citizens with drones. :rolleyes: We left-of-center folks criticize our own when they do wrong things. The criticism of Obama by liberals began practically before he was inaugurated, while the stimulus bill was coming together. I remember, because I was very much part of that. We don’t fall in line the way Republicans do. We don’t do duckspeak. We don’t hand our brains over to Dear Leader and agree that whatever he did was the right thing, regardless of what we’ve said about similar actions in the past. We’re not your mirror image, whatever you may want to believe. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/65 "2020-01-09T11:15:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But, if I were to put myself in Iran’s shoes, my goal wouldn’t be to strike the American homeland - that would be the end of the regime and Iran knows it. What Iran really wants, as they’ve said, is to drive the US out of the region. And by the region I don’t mean just Iraq, but the entire Arab/Persian world. They won’t stop when we leave Iraq. They’ll strike us anywhere they can as long as we’re close enough to strike them. I don’t know about that, but it’s looking like almost a given that we’ll be kicked out of Iraq, and once that happens, Iraq will be basically a satellite of Iran. And given Syria’s unsettled state and Iran’s role there, this will give Iran a zone of implicit control stretching almost to the Mediterranean. Winning! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/66 "2020-01-09T11:22:24Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > No. I can’t speak for everyone, but I am fucking tired of being in fucking wars without explicit authorization by fucking Congress. Fuck this shit. Very well put. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/67 "2020-01-09T14:25:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I don’t know about that, but it’s looking like almost a given that we’ll be kicked out of Iraq, and once that happens, Iraq will be basically a satellite of Iran. And given Syria’s unsettled state and Iran’s role there, this will give Iran a zone of implicit control stretching almost to the Mediterranean. Not “almost” to the Mediterranean. All the way to the Mediterranean. Syria has a coast, as does Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/68 "2020-01-09T19:50:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Meh. Y’all know perfectly well that if Hillary had been elected and had done exactly what Trump did, the SDMB would be applauding her courage and statesmanship. > > Regards, > Shodan Hillary wouldn’t have done what Trump did, exactly or otherwise, because despite being perceived as being hawkish she isn’t fucking _stupid_, ignorant of the world, its cultures, or how they interact, nor is she driven by a Jupiter-sized ego with the impulse control of a spoilt two-year old and the thin-skinned sensitivity of the princess on a pea. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/69 "2020-01-09T20:28:26Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I thought that too, in fact I thought for sure that Trump branded buildings would become targets for anti-American protestors everywhere. Mostly though, I see people in DC flipping off his hotel downtown, me included. I have a pic of my wife on the way to the women’s march giving it the finger with her elderly mother. I had this fantasy that maybe Iran would target Trump buildings around the world, and that Trump’s insurers would refuse to cover the damages due to an “act of war” clause in the contracts. Win Win! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/70 "2020-01-09T20:36:49Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Hillary wouldn’t have done what Trump did, exactly or otherwise, because despite being perceived as being hawkish she isn’t fucking _stupid_, ignorant of the world, its cultures, or how they interact, nor is she driven by a Jupiter-sized ego with the impulse control of a spoilt two-year old and the thin-skinned sensitivity of the princess on a pea. Trump apologists have very tiny brains. That’s why they so frequently find Hillary and Obama living in their heads, rent free, for years now. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/71 "2020-01-09T21:01:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I wouldn’t be so sure of that - like at all. Colibri’s right: we’re just getting started. Whether Iran purposely tipped their pitch or not or whether it was just a poorly planned attack is still unclear. I suspect it might be the former, but only because they haven’t thought about their longer term strategy. The attack was the exact opposite of both of these. It was like intentionally throwing close to the batter. Iran coolly planned a massive warning shot. If nothing else, they want to avoid hitting Iraqis, especially after the vote to expel the US military, to show that they know they’re caught in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/72 "2020-01-09T22:34:25Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I had this fantasy that maybe Iran would target Trump buildings around the world, and that Trump’s insurers would refuse to cover the damages due to an “act of war” clause in the contracts. Win Win! Really? AIUI, in many instances, he has no financial interest in the buildings bearing his name, and he’s already been paid for the use of his name. A karmic lesson to anyone with the poor judgement to do business with him, to be sure, but not necessarily the painful hit he deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/73 "2020-01-10T00:06:36Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Really? AIUI, in many instances, he has no financial interest in the buildings bearing his name, and he’s already been paid for the use of his name. A karmic lesson to anyone with the poor judgement to do business with him, to be sure, but not necessarily the painful hit he deserves. I have this fantasy about a team of skilled vandalists, in the dark of night, transforming the 50-foot-high TRUMP sign on Chicago’s tower to read TRAITOR. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/74 "2020-01-10T01:01:18Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I have this fantasy about a team of skilled vandalists, in the dark of night, transforming the 50-foot-high TRUMP sign on Chicago’s tower to read TRAITOR. \ Where’s the fucking LIKE button? \ OK, fine. **LIKE!!!** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/75 "2020-01-10T01:22:32Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I have this fantasy about a team of skilled vandalists, in the dark of night, transforming the 50-foot-high TRUMP sign on Chicago’s tower to read TRAITOR. Logistically speaking, I must concede that it seems more doable than changing it to my preferred appellation of AMERICA-HATING FUCKSTICK (even if mine would be more impressive). ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/76 "2020-01-10T01:29:42Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I have this fantasy about a team of skilled vandalists, in the dark of night, transforming the 50-foot-high TRUMP sign on Chicago’s tower to read TRAITOR. You know that here in DC, an artist routinely projects things onto his hotel? My favorite was “pay bribes here.” [https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-hotel-projection/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-hotel-projection/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/77 "2020-01-10T03:12:27Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I have this fantasy about a team of skilled vandalists, in the dark of night, transforming the 50-foot-high TRUMP sign on Chicago’s tower to read TRAITOR. I think LOSER would be more likely to trigger Trump, not sure if that’d be a good thing. I suspect that’s the epithet he most loathes. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/78 "2020-01-10T04:17:11Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I think LOSER would be more likely to trigger Trump, not sure if that’d be a good thing. I suspect that’s the epithet he most loathes. How about FIRED? ---
**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/79 "2020-01-10T04:18:08Z")
Just take away the T, leave RUMP. Fitting for the ass he’s always been. ---
**Author:** ![Gullibility\_is\_Underated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Gullibility\_is\_Underated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gullibility_is_Underated)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107/80 "2020-01-10T13:55:08Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > With all due respect, this seems rather short-sighted of you. > > Iran’s _real_ retaliation will be in pushing the Americans out of Iraq in humiliating fashion. It’s a long-term goal of theirs which, in the light of what has happened, now seems far more likely to succeed than ever before. Maybe Mr. Trump does not believe he has the popularity to tackle the Military Industrial complex and the only way to get shut of US involvement in Iraq is to get pushed out by the elected Iraqi government. That is assuming he had a long term view [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-the-trump-is-the-peace-candidate-hillary-will-get-us-in-to-war-people/846107.md?page=5)