# To all Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 23, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915 "2017-01-23T03:19:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/21 "2017-01-23T04:44:55Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You must be fucking kidding. There has been no rationality ever evident in Trump’s campaign or since his election. You are confusing “Trump himself” with “people we are going to have to share the US with, like it or not, and who might be capable of changing their minds if we treat them with respect.” I have friends and relatives who supported Trump. Yes, my personal view is that this was idiotic on their parts. However, they aren’t idiots overall. I’d like to believe that they are indeed capable of watching what happens next and possibly having a genuine discussion about it. When you express yourself as the OP did, you are only hurting the cause. Why give Trump supporters another reason to hate us? We only push them farther and farther away by refusing to treat them as human beings. What the hell happened to “when they go low, we go high”? It may have been nothing but empty campaign rhetoric to those of you who would rather nurse your anger than save the country, but I happen to believe those are good words to live by. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/22 "2017-01-23T04:52:52Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > When you express yourself as the OP did, you are only hurting the cause. Why give Trump supporters another reason to hate us? We only push them farther and farther away by refusing to treat them as human beings. It’s not that I don’t see your point, but I think it’s more constructive to focus on what’s the best thing **for us** and for the country as a whole. Not to present it through the lens of how Trump supporters are going to feel. Many Trump supporters have been very vitriolic and fingerpointy lately, largely, I suspect, out of a suppressed sense of creeping buyer’s remorse and a desire to find someone else to blame for it if it continues to worsen. It’s not surprising that some of the rest of us get a little impatient with being constantly scolded for not being careful enough of their feelings. > [@CairoCarol](#): > > people we are going to have to share the US with, like it or not, and who might be capable of changing their minds if we treat them with respect Respect is a two-way street. Not being in the US yourself, as you note, you might not have a very clear sense of how much “respect” Trump supporters have been showing for their ideological opponents recently. Or since long before recently, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/23 "2017-01-23T04:54:17Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > You are confusing “Trump himself” with “people we are going to have to share the US with, like it or not, and who might be capable of changing their minds if we treat them with respect.” > > I have friends and relatives who supported Trump. Yes, my personal view is that this was idiotic on their parts. However, they aren’t idiots overall. I’d like to believe that they are indeed capable of watching what happens next and possibly having a genuine discussion about it. > > When you express yourself as the OP did, you are only hurting the cause. Why give Trump supporters another reason to hate us? We only push them farther and farther away by refusing to treat them as human beings. > > What the hell happened to “when they go low, we go high”? It may have been nothing but empty campaign rhetoric to those of you who would rather nurse your anger than save the country, but I happen to believe those are good words to live by. Do you really believe that he talks this way to his trump relatives? Like this is his life story? You’re being a scold, and repeating things that we are sick of hearing, because they have been coming from trump supporters trolling. We believe someones lectures might be better delivered to someone else. Liberals are subject to compassion fatigue too. Treating donnies voters as human beings right now seems like a very asymmetrical relationship. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/24 "2017-01-23T04:54:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why can’t it be both? The OP wishes he could gouge out the eyes of children whose parents voted for Trump and then fuck them in the eye sockets. Well Trump said that the people were not going to be ignored. The OP is venting because many like him will be. I however don’t think that using that wide a brush and hate is helpful **Thing Fish**. We only need to show a few misguided voters in the rust belt and Florida how wrong they were. Don’t mind much the ones that will never learn. But do not put all in the same column. Do contribute to groups that will help control the current Trump abuses and the ones to come. And do get involved in ways to help Democratic candidates in the coming midterms. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/25 "2017-01-23T05:02:04Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Do you really believe that he talks this way to his trump relatives? Like this is his life story? > > You’re being a scold, and repeating things that we are sick of hearing, because they have been coming from trump supporters trolling. We believe someones lectures might be better delivered to someone else. > > Liberals are subject to compassion fatigue too. Treating donnies voters as human beings right now seems like a very asymmetrical relationship. But you aren’t scolding me for scolding, right? Look, if the OP didn’t want responses, he wouldn’t have posted. I know you don’t believe that only posts agreeing with the OP are allowed, because tolerating dissent is a liberal value. The violence and nastiness of Donald Trump is no excuse to respond with violence and nastiness. Dehumanizing and demonizing people leads to…well, a Trump administration. Humanity has GOT to prove itself capable of something better, or we’re fucked. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/26 "2017-01-23T05:07:25Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > It’s not that I don’t see your point, but I think it’s more constructive to focus on what’s the best thing **for us** and for the country as a whole. You mean like “I hope that your children also get to see you die so I can laugh in their faces, after I spit in them and before I gouge their eyes out and fuck them in their eye sockets.” I’m not seeing anything in the OP that “focuses on what’s the best thing for us and for the country as a whole”. There are light years between “treating the opposite with respect” and what the OP said. Perhaps we only poke out their eyes and NOT fuck them int he eye sockets. That would be a start… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/27 "2017-01-23T05:14:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not seeing anything in the OP that “focuses on what’s the best thing for us and for the country as a whole”. :dubious: Where did I imply that there is? As I mentioned in post #2 of this thread, I definitely support more positive and constructive ways of manifesting discontent with the current political situation. My remark to **CairoCarol** was not intended to endorse the OP’s sentiments, but simply to suggest that insisting on the importance of treating Trump supporters respectfully may not be the best way to disagree with them. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/28 "2017-01-23T05:26:38Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Respect is a two-way street. It certainly is. One of the things I find most nauseating about the Trump campaign (and, it looks like, his presidency) is the way it forces those of us on the other side to stoop to his level. It’s really a very crafty strategy, if you think about it: if you act so hatefully and unreasonably that you reduce the other side to mirror your behavior, because they are at a loss for how a constructive approach would work, then you win, because you’ve essentially reduced the dialogue to “no, u” – and every mindless accusation can be flung back and forth by both sides, accomplishing nothing. … ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/29 "2017-01-23T05:33:45Z")
FUCK Trump supporters! To paraphrase Woody Allen’s _Manhattan_ (1979): **Isaac Davis (Woody):** Has anybody read that Trump supporters are gonna march in New Jersey? Y’know, I read this in the newspaper. We should go down there, get some guys together, y’know, get some bricks and baseball bats and really explain things to them. **Party Guest:** There is this devastating satirical piece on that on the Op Ed page of the _Times_, It is devastating. **Isaac Davis:** Well, a satirical piece in the _Times_ is one thing, but bricks and baseball bats really gets right to the point. **Party Guest:** Oh, but really biting satire is always better than physical force. **Isaac Davis:** No, physical force is always better with Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/30 "2017-01-23T05:34:19Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > It certainly is. > > One of the things I find most nauseating about the Trump campaign (and, it looks like, his presidency) is the way it forces those of us on the other side to stoop to his level. It’s really a very crafty strategy, if you think about it: if you act so hatefully and unreasonably that you reduce the other side to mirror your behavior, because they are at a loss for how a constructive approach would work, then you win, because you’ve essentially reduced the dialogue to “no, u” – and every mindless accusation can be flung back and forth by both sides, accomplishing nothing. > > … And that’s how the cookie and the empire usually crumbles. So we are agreeing that some given approach may not be adequate? That it’s a very sticky wicket and we are on unfamiliar terrain for democracy. We are all dealing with it in our own ways. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/31 "2017-01-23T05:39:09Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > But you aren’t scolding me for scolding, right? > > Look, if the OP didn’t want responses, he wouldn’t have posted. I know you don’t believe that only posts agreeing with the OP are allowed, because tolerating dissent is a liberal value. > > The violence and nastiness of Donald Trump is no excuse to respond with violence and nastiness. Dehumanizing and demonizing people leads to…well, a Trump administration. Humanity has GOT to prove itself capable of something better, or we’re fucked. Well there’s a time and a place. I was mostly red about the idea from another poster that liberals are responsible for making the country look bad. I was accusing you of being a scold but not preventing you. This is the pit. I took the meaning of the OP as that he has just _ **had it** _. Not that he is going into some kind of dark army to hate. If you can’t understand that that’s OK too. You notice no one else is piling on and lighting fires. We are just empathizing. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/32 "2017-01-23T05:42:44Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > It certainly is. > > One of the things I find most nauseating about the Trump campaign (and, it looks like, his presidency) is the way it forces those of us on the other side to stoop to his level. It’s really a very crafty strategy, if you think about it: if you act so hatefully and unreasonably that you reduce the other side to mirror your behavior, because they are at a loss for how a constructive approach would work, then you win, because you’ve essentially reduced the dialogue to “no, u” – and every mindless accusation can be flung back and forth by both sides, accomplishing nothing. > > … BTW congratulations on perfectly describing the politics threads here on SDMB. Read it again and then surf and see, if you don’t already. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/33 "2017-01-23T05:48:38Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Fuck you. > > I hope you all die soon. I hope the diseased whores who shat you out of their syphilitic cunts live just long enough to see you die in pain and agony before they, too, succumb to whatever plague a just God has seen fit to inflict on racist, hateful, deliberately ignorant pieces of shit. I hope that your children also get to see you die so I can laugh in their faces, after I spit in them and before I gouge their eyes out and fuck them in their eye sockets. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > +1 Umadsis? Funny how wishing harm on other board members goes unmoderated when it’s the rantings of deranged leftists. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/34 "2017-01-23T05:51:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Umadsis? > > Funny how wishing harm on other board members goes unmoderated when it’s the rantings of deranged leftists. I don’t see any board members mentioned. Were you triggered? Maybe a wee bit paranoid? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/35 "2017-01-23T05:52:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I don’t see any board members mentioned. > Were you triggered? > Maybe a wee bit paranoid? Paranoid? Over the rantings of forum loon? Why would that make me paranoid? Think man. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/36 "2017-01-23T06:03:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Paranoid? > > Over the rantings of forum loon? Why would that make me paranoid? Think man. You seem to take the OP quite personally. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/37 "2017-01-23T06:16:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You seem to take the OP quite personally. I do? Why make stuff up? I’d have the same complaint if this were directed at the supporter of any of the presidential candidates of the USA in the year 2016. AD. I think what the OP is writing is over the top for even the Pit. It’s not my call of course. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/38 "2017-01-23T06:18:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I do? > > Why make stuff up? > > I think what the OP is writing is over the top for even the Pit. It’s not my call of course. You said she was threatening board members and asking why there was no moderation. Anyway, I’m not making stuff up, it’s alternative facts. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/39 "2017-01-23T06:21:59Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > We are not having a liberal meltdown of not understanding people. We are having a populist, nationalist, authoritarian, pro corruption, pro globalism, pro monopoly, anti democratic, anti truth meltdown in the country. Liberals are supposed to be the party of the people. Not understanding why people voted the way they did isn’t the way to win future elections. Understanding them doesn’t mean you have to agree with them, btw. You can call them racist, bigoted and threaten to skull fuck their kids all you want, but it is unlikely that will get them to vote any differently in the future. > [@](#): > > Stop fucking blaming liberals. You can blame the people who voted for Trump all you like, but it wasn’t their fault the Dems ran a turd sandwich as their candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/40 "2017-01-23T06:22:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Funny how wishing harm on other board members goes unmoderated when it’s the rantings of deranged leftists. What other board members? AFAICT, the rules of the forum don’t forbid wishing harm on generic categories of people. So why are you complaining that it ought to be moderated? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915.md?page=3)