# To all Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 23, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915 "2017-01-23T03:19:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/41 "2017-01-23T06:25:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Umadsis? > > Funny how wishing harm on other board members goes unmoderated when it’s the rantings of deranged leftists. Where’s the evidence he’s a leftist? Why couldn’t help be a conservative upset about how the atheist adulterous blasphemous mammon-worshipping golden calf making whore monger Trump is going to turn America into Sodom and Gomorrah? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/42 "2017-01-23T06:28:12Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > You can blame the people who voted for Trump all you like, but it wasn’t their fault the Dems ran a turd sandwich as their candidate. No. But it was their fault that they captiously and childishly refused to recognize that even a turd sandwich is preferable to being force-fed a foot-long turd hoagie while standing up to one’s nostrils in a turd-filled hot tub. _“Waah! You didn’t give me an alternative I really liked so it’s your fault that I deliberately chose the worst possible option whose vastly greater flaws I was already fully aware of!”_ is not the way a rational adult defends their actions. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/43 "2017-01-23T06:37:27Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Where’s the evidence he’s a leftist? Why couldn’t help be a conservative upset about how the atheist adulterous blasphemous mammon-worshipping golden calf making whore monger Trump is going to turn America into Sodom and Gomorrah? Good point! ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/44 "2017-01-23T06:43:46Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Where’s the evidence he’s a leftist? Why couldn’t help be a conservative upset about how the atheist adulterous blasphemous mammon-worshipping golden calf making whore monger Trump is going to turn America into Sodom and Gomorrah? AND say he wants to spit on children and skull fuck them?? That’s some serious Old Testament shit there. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/45 "2017-01-23T06:58:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > No. But it was their fault that they captiously and childishly refused to recognize that even a turd sandwich is preferable to being force-fed a foot-long turd hoagie while standing up to one’s nostrils in a turd-filled hot tub. Yes, okay they did that. The question you should be asking is “Why did they do that?”. Personally, I wouldn’t vote for either of them, but without understanding why someone voted against the ‘chosen’ candiate it is likely that the same mistake will occur again. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/46 "2017-01-23T07:17:25Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Yes, okay they did that. The question you should be asking is “Why did they do that?”. _“Waah! You didn’t give me an alternative I really liked so it’s your fault that I deliberately chose the worst possible option whose vastly greater flaws I was already fully aware of, **because you didn’t understaaaaaaand meeeeee!** ”_ Look, at some point Republican voters have to take responsibility for their own actions as presumably rational adults. They didn’t only choose to vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton: they also chose to **nominate** Donald Trump over every other possible Republican candidate that they could have picked. It is **way** past time for Republicans, or those devil’s-advocating for Republicans, to stop crawling back to Democrats whining that it’s the Democrats’ fault they did something so stupid, and if the Democrats don’t work harder to understand and respect them then they’ll probably do something else just as stupid in the future, and it will be the Democrats’ fault again. This is not a two-party political system, this is a classic abusive relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/47 "2017-01-23T07:22:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > \*… they also chose to **nominate** Donald Trump over every other possible Republican candidate that they could have picked. Or ‘…they also chose to **nominate** **Hilary Clinton** over every other possible **Democratic** candidate that they could have picked…’ Not only that, but the Democratic leadership actively wanted her as their choice. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/48 "2017-01-23T07:24:56Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Or > ‘…they also chose to **nominate** **Hilary Clinton** over every other possible **Democratic** candidate that they could have picked…’ > Not only that, but the Democratic leadership actively wanted her as their choice. Didn’t wikileaks reveal that Clinton pressured her media allies to promote Trump as she felt he was the candidate she was most likely to defeat? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/49 "2017-01-23T10:17:15Z")
In coming to terms with the election result and the question _Who voted for Trump?_ it is good to remember that _among whites_ the R-candidate has beat the D-candidate in every Presidential election since the LBJ landslide of 1964. Let me repeat that. All other things equal, _ **if only white votes counted, the Republican wins all of the last 12 Presidential elections** _; the last time any Democratic candidate for President would have won was 52 years ago. (In 1992, Ross Perot siphoned off a huge portion of white votes and Clinton eked out a victory — but even then Bush still won more white votes than Clinton won.) Here is a look at how white voters voted in the past three elections. In each case, of course, the larger number is the percent which voted for the GOP candidate: ```auto Trump Romney McCain White, college 49-45 (+4) 56-42 (+14) 51-47 (+4) White, no college 67-28 (+39) 61-36 (+25) 58-40 (+18) ``` The 2016 GOP took a big loss in the “college” category (I think this is restricted to graduates, but not sure) compared with 2012 but insanity trounced among the less educated. Although white women voted for Trump in greater numbers than for Clinton; if we consider just white men Trump won by over a 2-1 margin _even when educated men are included._ I didn’t find a vote breakdown both by race and state, but since Clinton beat Trump by a 9-1 margin in San Francisco, a 9-1 margin in Manhattan, etc. (almost a 3-1 margin in affluent Contra Costa county) we might conclude that even white men favored Clinton in regions with culture and information. Thus to account for the overall figures, the white vote must have been _overwhelmingly pro-Trump_ in the Flyover Cesspool. Staring at the demographic number just leads to nausea. For example, about 33 million millenials didn’t bother to vote at all; among those who did vote about a million who voted for Obama clicked on a 3rd-party candidate in 2016. One wants to applaud the educated Romney voters smart enough to vote Hillary, yet Trump still beat Hillary among white college grads. :eek: (Obviously the GOP always loses heavily among Americans with advanced degrees.) Anyway, I suppose I support this Pitting. But be aware that we’re not Pitting a few despicable dolts, but rather the _vast majority of white-skinned American_s in the “Heartland.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/50 "2017-01-23T10:45:02Z")
So what gives? Obviously about half of white American have an IQ of 100+; how could they vote for the dismal sociopath? I think we can get some insight by listening to a Republican who was, barely, smart enough to vote for Hillary: > [@I live in the US, but I don't vote. Never have, never will. Ask Me Anything if you want.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-live-in-the-us-but-i-dont-vote-never-have-never-will-ask-me-anything-if-you-want/771059/196): > > Because it seems relevant, I will share my own experience of voting today. I have always voted, in every election since I was eligible… > > … I started to mark the ballot. I couldn’t. > > I passed over the presidential electors, marked my choice for US Representative, chose my options for various bond issues… and then stared at the president’s choice again. > > Finally I marked it for Trump. I couldn’t vote for Clinton. > > I stood up and walked towards the scanner… and then I couldn’t put it in the scanner; I couldn’t vote for Trump. > > I marked my ballot VOID and requested a new one. Sat back down. Filled out all the other spots again. > > Finally I marked Clinton, stood up again. Sent the ballot into the scanner before I could change my mind again. Does this strike other rationalists as bizarre? One makes up one’s mind about a key election in advance; finally marking the ballot is a straightforward formality. If I needed to make a vote I disliked there might be some early “soul-searching” _but the actual act on Election Day would be simple routine_. As with most Dopers, my political decisions are made with my head. Not so for the amygdala-bloated “conservatives.” [Cite.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds) [Cite.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-un8rHP14) [Video, mentioning that brain structure outperforms even parents’ orientation as a political orientation indicator.](http://2012election.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004818) Liberals tend to have a developed anterior cingulate gyrus — the part of brain that processes new information. Conservatives tend to have a large amygdala — a “reptilian” part of the brain that generates emotions like fear and disgust. Bricker has a well-developed brain (obviously I’m speaking metaphorically when I call him an “imbecile”) and is to be applauded for overcoming his bloated amygdala on that fateful Tuesday. Yet his post is instructive. It’s hard to imagine a normal rational thinker going through that experience at the polling station. His bloated amygdala, his need to map politics to the emotions of fear and disgust, was starkly on display. Conservatives seem eager to inspect genital structure before allowing a citizen to use a bathroom. Perhaps we should inspect brain structure before allowing a citizen to vote! 😛 :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/51 "2017-01-23T11:02:52Z")
Here’s what I wonder about Trump supporters, at least here: what do they think about the White House’s claims about inauguration attendance? About “alternative facts”? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/52 "2017-01-23T11:07:00Z")
> [@Lydia\_Phalfav](#): > > Right now, Trump’s not making the country look stupid in the eyes of the world, people like you are. Uh, no… I think it’s Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/53 "2017-01-23T11:17:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Uh, no… I think it’s Trump. Speaking as someone living in Germany: yep, definitely Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/54 "2017-01-23T11:22:15Z")
No, no, I’ve heard this before. The world had nothing but contempt for the weakling Obama, and are pleased that America has had the good sense to elect a REAL man like Trump, whose strength they respect and are eager to work with. Sheesh, get it right, people. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/55 "2017-01-23T12:24:12Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Fuck you. > > I hope you all die soon. I hope the diseased whores who shat you out of their syphilitic cunts live just long enough to see you die in pain and agony before they, too, succumb to whatever plague a just God has seen fit to inflict on racist, hateful, deliberately ignorant pieces of shit. I hope that your children also get to see you die so I can laugh in their faces, after I spit in them and before I gouge their eyes out and fuck them in their eye sockets. That is just not nice. In fact, it’s a great example of the hate and venom that divides this country right now. I am a Trump supporter and I wish you well. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/56 "2017-01-23T12:50:24Z")
I’m a suicide bomber, and I hope you all have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/57 "2017-01-23T13:21:53Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Fuck you. > > I hope you all die soon. I hope the diseased whores who shat you out of their syphilitic cunts live just long enough to see you die in pain and agony before they, too, succumb to whatever plague a just God has seen fit to inflict on racist, hateful, deliberately ignorant pieces of shit. I hope that your children also get to see you die so I can laugh in their faces, after I spit in them and before I gouge their eyes out and fuck them in their eye sockets. Were Trump to respond to this, he’d say that you’ve been on the Dope 16 years and only have 1959 posts to show for it. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/58 "2017-01-23T13:25:49Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Here’s what I wonder about Trump supporters, at least here: what do they think about the White House’s claims about inauguration attendance? About “alternative facts”? What Spicer said. It’s not about attendance, it’s about the media being so mean to Trump. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/59 "2017-01-23T13:27:33Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > One of the things I find most nauseating about the Trump campaign (and, it looks like, his presidency) is the way it forces those of us on the other side to stoop to his level. In what way is Trump forcing you? Was there an executive order or something that I haven’t heard about compelling the other side to say how they wanted to skull fuck children and blow up the White House and so forth? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915/60 "2017-01-23T13:43:56Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > That is just not nice. In fact, it’s a great example of the hate and venom that divides this country right now. I am a Trump supporter and I wish you well. You know, it looks rather like **Thing Fish** went low and you went high. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-all-trump-supporters/777915.md?page=4)