# To anyone who supports so-called "2nd amendment solutions". **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386 "2016-07-08T13:53:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/1 "2016-07-08T13:53:48Z")
This is what it looks like assholes. Are you happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/2 "2016-07-08T14:01:32Z")
Didn’t somebody once say this: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” ? Isn’t this part of what the 2nd amendment is for? Defend against tyranny? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/3 "2016-07-08T14:06:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Didn’t somebody once say this: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” ? > > Isn’t this part of what the 2nd amendment is for? Defend against tyranny? No. It is not what the second amendment is for. But some think it is and now they’re getting to see what that looks like. They won’t get that of course. They think it’s heroic cowboys defending illegal land use. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/4 "2016-07-08T14:12:56Z")
And what is “tyranny”? …But yes most of the big talkers about “2d Amendment solutions” are expecting the parties in their great final confrontation to look and sound different… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/5 "2016-07-08T14:48:25Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > And what is “tyranny”? > > …But yes most of the big talkers about “2d Amendment solutions” are expecting the parties in their great final confrontation to look and sound different… And maybe not so…tan? ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/6 "2016-07-08T14:48:32Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > And what is “tyranny”? > > …But yes most of the big talkers about “2d Amendment solutions” are expecting the parties in their great final confrontation to look and sound different… This. Those shooters in Dallas were clearly bad guys with guns. Loons, probably liberal activists. When a Patriot™ shoots a cop or a soldier, it’s to protect _liberty_, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/7 "2016-07-08T14:51:40Z")
Not a lot of difference between these assholes and the assholes out “playing sniper” at the Bundy ranch. Well, except that the guys at the Bundy ranch were all fat lying military wannabes just playing tough guy for the summer. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/8 "2016-07-08T15:53:53Z")
This wouldn’t have happened if the cops were armed…or something. If the snipers turn out to own their guns legally it won’t make a damn bit of difference. Scared white people get things done politically but if they weren’t concerned enough when middle class schools in white neighborhoods got shot up this isn’t going to be the tipping point. My country depresses me. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/9 "2016-07-08T16:30:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Not a lot of difference between these assholes and the assholes out “playing sniper” at the Bundy ranch. > > Well, except that the guys at the Bundy ranch were all fat lying military wannabes just playing tough guy for the summer. …and didn’t actually murder anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/10 "2016-07-08T16:43:09Z")
If you want peace, work for justice. My thoughts and prayers are with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/11 "2016-07-08T16:47:07Z")
Why do you feel that I need your thoughts and prayers? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/12 "2016-07-08T17:11:22Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > If you want peace, work for justice. > > My thoughts and prayers are with the OP. > [@davidm](#): > > Why do you feel that I need your thoughts and prayers? It’s the victims and their families who need thoughts and prayers, not me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/13 "2016-07-08T18:22:11Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > This. > > Those shooters in Dallas were clearly bad guys with guns. Loons, probably liberal activists. When a Patriot™ shoots a cop or a soldier, it’s to protect _liberty_, dammit. The shooter was exmilitary. You wanna run that “liberal activist” line by me one more time? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/14 "2016-07-08T18:31:43Z")
> [@The\_Niply\_Elder](#): > > The shooter was exmilitary. You wanna run that “liberal activist” line by me one more time? I’m pretty sure that **xenophon41** was being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/15 "2016-07-08T18:46:39Z")
> [@andros](#): > > …and didn’t actually murder anyone. Their movement did: > **[Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building)** > > The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was a United States federal government complex located at 200 N.W. 5th Street in downtown Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. On April 19, 1995, the building was the target of the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, which killed 168 people and injured 680 others. A third of the building collapsed seconds after the truck bomb detonated. The remains were demolished a month after the attack, and the Oklahoma City National Memorial was built on th... Teh patriot movement, militia members, tax protesters, sovereign or state citizens, quasi-Christian apocalypticists, and white supremacists sprout from a handful of idealists. Many of the writings they hold as gospel can be traced backed to the Aryan Nations. The Oath Keepers, the White Mountain Militia, and the Praetorian Guard are not full of fluff, they are very dangerous indeed. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/16 "2016-07-08T18:55:19Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Their movement did: > > [Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building) > > Teh patriot movement, militia members, tax protesters, sovereign or state citizens, quasi-Christian apocalypticists, and white supremacists sprout from a handful of idealists. Many of the writings they hold as gospel can be traced backed to the Aryan Nations. > > The Oath Keepers, the White Mountain Militia, and the Praetorian Guard are not full of fluff, they are very dangerous indeed. And they’ve also shot police. I think there’s been more than one incident of an officer getting shot after pulling someone over for some goofy cardboard sovereign license plate. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/17 "2016-07-08T19:17:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I’m pretty sure that **xenophon41** was being sarcastic. Yes. (Maybe the bad coding hid the sarcasm. I should be more careful about cutting and pasting from Character Map.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/18 "2016-07-08T19:34:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > …and didn’t actually murder anyone. They are responsible for the death of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, tho. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/19 "2016-07-08T21:49:52Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Yes. (Maybe the bad coding hid the sarcasm. I should be more careful about cutting and pasting from Character Map.) Ah ok apologies for jumping the gun. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-supports-so-called-2nd-amendment-solutions/759386/20 "2016-07-08T21:54:17Z")
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