# To Dishonest "Christians" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019 "2018-04-08T09:52:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/21 "2018-04-08T16:26:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This logic is no better than when a Christian says that atheists are all liars and just don’t want to believe there is a God. I know some who claim atheists are just pretending so they can refuse reading Bible and then afterwards say that “I didn’t know it was sin.” Yeah, THAT’s gonna fool God. :smack: > [@JRDelirious](#): > > Y’know, touchscreens will be the death of us all when someone accidentally summons Cthulhu. On the other hand if somebody is deliberately trying to do it, it may not be that easy and he gives up eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/22 "2018-04-08T16:28:07Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Who hurt you? > > I’m a card carrying Atheist, but this is the shit that gives us (or would) a bad name. It’s also just plain not true. Many Christians fully believe all or most of the things you mentioned. Even if they didn’t, so what? Calling them fucking morons, liars and full of shit are the makings for a ‘militant atheist’ and you know what it does? It makes those people pray harder for you, become more vocal to help you, proselytize even more. > > In short, name calling really helps and usually hurts. > > Live and let live, man. Amen. Testify, Brother **Joey P** … **T-E-S-T-I-F-Y**! ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/23 "2018-04-08T16:56:34Z")
Okay David, show us on this doll where the bad theist touched you. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/24 "2018-04-08T17:09:22Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > (…) I’m not saying you’re wrong; that goes without saying. What I am saying is: You’re full of shit. (…) Oh, pshaw… you don’t really believe that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/25 "2018-04-08T17:14:06Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I’ve noticed that you seem to have [a problem detecting satire](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20890238&postcount=62) and parodic humor. 🙂 Not at all, sir. If anything, I have an unfortunate habit of driving it into the ground. Thank you though, for pointing out that painful character flaw. Next time, perhaps you can just give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice on it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/26 "2018-04-08T19:43:58Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Is there a name for the inability to understand/accept that other people have different beliefs than you do? Republican. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/27 "2018-04-08T20:04:21Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I don’t mean those who cheat or steal. > > I do mean the ones who claim to “believe” shit that no sane person - barely even any _in_sane people - could honestly believe. > > Examples: > > - God is a being who exists somewhere > > - all the details in the Bible are true > > - Jesus came back to life after being dead for three days > > - if you pray, God will respond > > - there’s a savior > > I’m not saying you’re wrong; that goes without saying. What I am saying is: You’re full of shit. You don’t believe those things, you never did, every time you say them you know you’re lying, and every time you hear someone else say them you know either they’re lying just like you or they’re fucking morons, and it hardly matters which is which, cause the effect is about the same. At least stupid people have an excuse - you don’t. That’s some strong Chrstianophobia you got going on. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/28 "2018-04-08T20:20:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > In general, I feel the same way as long as it’s kept within the religion/denomination/individual place of worship. As soon as it spills over to affecting others on the “outside”, I object. > Example: Just as I believe that any church shouldn’t be required to perform a same-sex marriage, they shouldn’t be able to interfere with same-sex marriage on the civic level. I agree. The caveat – and what drives some people to be anti-religious zealots – is that even if the religion doesn’t institutionally interfere with civic processes or seek to abrogate civil rights, some of the more dogmatic and fundamentalist ones may instill those values in its adherents. Hence you have phenomena like the “religious right” political movement, in which things like anti-abortion zealotry and homophobia run rampant and are ultimately rooted in religious nuttery including Biblical literalism. Fortunately such fundamentalists are in the minority, and even if most people aren’t explicitly or formally followers of the progressive Christianity and liberal Protestantism movements I mentioned earlier, most are closer to it than to the nutters. I know an exemplary representative of liberal Protestanism who is actually a pastor; religion is his vocation. And he’s probably one of the more insightful and non-judgmental people I’ve met, he’s conscientiously progressive on social policy, and he’s someone whose views I would value more on such matters than those of a dozen Bible-thumping religionists and spittle-mouthed atheists combined. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/29 "2018-04-08T20:49:05Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I don’t mean those who cheat or steal. > > I do mean the ones who claim to “believe” shit that no sane person - barely even any _in_sane people - could honestly believe. Your preposition would require a majority of the world’s population (since your points don’t actually seem to discriminate between religions, unless you think it’s insane to believe God is a being that exists somewhere but reasonable to believe Allah is) to be engaged in massive deception of themselves and others. If believers are all huge liars, on what possible basis can you trust any information you’ve ever been given, including the information you’ve used to determine this? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/30 "2018-04-08T20:59:25Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Fortunately such fundamentalists are in the minority, and even if most people aren’t explicitly or formally followers of the progressive Christianity and liberal Protestantism movements I mentioned earlier, most are closer to it than to the nutters. Unfortunately, the nutters are the ones that are most vocal and in the headlines the most, due to their nuttery. You don’t hear about eastboro baptist church _not_ protesting at soldier’s funerals. And they work really hard to get legislation passed that will favor their flavor of theocracy, while at the same time, preaching the dangers of “sharia law.” ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/31 "2018-04-08T21:08:40Z")
Ducking autocorrect. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/32 "2018-04-08T21:31:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Unfortunately, the nutters are the ones that are most vocal and in the headlines the most, due to their nuttery. This is true, so the OP should have been ranting against fundamentalist nutters using religion as a political weapon and the dangers of the religious right in American politics, not against the whole of liberal Christianity and those who see it as an enlightened basis of morality consistent with contemporary progressive values and scientific knowledge. To be clear, I personally am not much of a religionist. I haven’t been to church in decades, and any “praying” I do is figurative, as in “I pray that this fucker doesn’t get elected as our next mayor”. I just have no problem with progressive religion as a social institution and a reasonable guideline for moral values among those who wish to see it that way. But show me fundamentalist religion that is deployed against science and reason, and I’ll be on it like a ton of bricks. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/33 "2018-04-09T10:15:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > My pastor (nominally–I don’t really attend the church, but I am a member) believes he saw a literal miracle happen in front of his eyes: a healing of some sort of physical deformity. He is 100% certain that God exists. Was it on the order of an amputee having their lost limb reappear, or more like someone losing their resting bitch face? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/34 "2018-04-09T10:36:30Z")
This is going well. Count me as another non-Christian who thinks the OP is filled with incorrect assertions and/or incoherent raving. There are many types of “Christian” and many of them are dishonest by virtue [sic] of being humans, who on the whole are good at lying to others and to themselves. But the whole “Belief in God is crazy and anyone who claims to do so is lying” approach is just plain ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/35 "2018-04-09T14:28:41Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I’m not saying you’re wrong; that goes without saying. What I am saying is: You’re full of shit. You don’t believe those things, you never did, every time you say them you know you’re lying, and every time you hear someone else say them you know either they’re lying just like you or they’re fucking morons, and it hardly matters which is which, cause the effect is about the same. At least stupid people have an excuse - you don’t. I feel that way sometimes. It helps to think about some of the good Christians you know…you do know some, right? Maybe some beloved relatives? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/36 "2018-04-09T14:45:51Z")
So… the OP is espousing an extraordinary claim that he knows with absolute certainty to be true. He also knows the hearts of all men better than they know themselves. Guys, I’m pretty sure Ravid is God. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/37 "2018-04-09T15:05:14Z")
I really don’t believe that Ravid is real. Nobody does, no matter what they say. He’s not coming back, is he… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/38 "2018-04-09T15:06:43Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > He’s not coming back, is he… Give it three days. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/39 "2018-04-09T15:14:24Z")
Like fish and house guests. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/40 "2018-04-09T15:21:38Z")
Satan’s sock I think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019.md?page=3)