# To Dishonest "Christians" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019 "2018-04-08T09:52:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/41 "2018-04-09T16:15:39Z")
Ease up on **DaRvid**. He’s clearly going through the “anger” stage of atheistic grief. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/42 "2018-04-09T16:33:01Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I believe my dog is the greatest fog in the world. You can have any number of criteria which prove her to be average at best and well below most standards but that doesn’t make her any less of the best dog ever. (I recognize that everyone else in theveorld believes they have the best fog. None if them are wrong, either. Except for Pepper who is a neurotic ugly little yapping furball.) So does one adopt a fog from the cloud? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/43 "2018-04-09T17:07:24Z")
I’d rather be a dishonest Christian than someone who posts this: > [@Raising a genderless child from birth](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raising-a-genderless-child-from-birth/812013/15): > > Trans people themselves are the most transphobic humans on the planet. It’s their own intolerantly rigid and absolutely binary view of gender roles that leads them to mutilate themselves. If they had one ounce themselves of the acceptance they ask from others, the mutilations would be unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/44 "2018-04-09T17:24:33Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Ease up on **DaRvid**. I’ve been wondering about that. Is it DRavid, DaRvid, DavRid, DaviRd, or what? Is the ‘R’ in addition to, or in place of, one of the letters in ‘David’? And do I need to refresh my somewhat rusty combinatorics skillz to count all the possibilities? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/45 "2018-04-09T17:29:17Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’d rather be a dishonest Christian than someone who posts this: What an abhorrent post, worth a Pitting of its own. (By comparison, this born-again Christian doesn’t even find the OP in this thread worth countering, given how ridiculous it is. More of a self-owning than anything else.) ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/46 "2018-04-09T17:45:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > In general, I feel the same way as long as it’s kept within the religion/denomination/individual place of worship. As soon as it spills over to affecting others on the “outside”, I object. > Example: Just as I believe that any church shouldn’t be required to perform a same-sex marriage, they shouldn’t be able to interfere with same-sex marriage on the civic level. Is that the same if the affecting others on the outside is something you agree with, though? I know of many churches who advocated quite strongly FOR same-sex marriage before _Obergefell_. Or for example, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s deeply religious fight against Jim Crow? A lot of progressive or liberal Christian churches believe that the Church does not exist merely for itself, or for individual believers, but to advocate for justice and peace in the world (and part of that are things like feeding/clothing the homeless and part of it is advocating for justice). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/47 "2018-04-09T17:45:30Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’ve been wondering about that. Is it DRavid, DaRvid, DavRid, DaviRd, or what? Is the ‘R’ in addition to, or in place of, one of the letters in ‘David’? And do I need to refresh my somewhat rusty combinatorics skillz to count all the possibilities? In honor of Tom Lehrer’s 90th today, the “R” is silent. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/48 "2018-04-09T17:56:27Z")
But he’s posting in English, not one of the Dravidian languages of southern India. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/49 "2018-04-09T18:47:52Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/50 "2018-04-09T19:56:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But he’s posting in English, not one of the Dravidian languages of southern India. Maybe he’s really speaking in one of the Branch Dravidian dialects. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/51 "2018-04-09T21:54:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’ve been wondering about that. Is it DRavid, DaRvid, DavRid, DaviRd, or what? Is the ‘R’ in addition to, or in place of, one of the letters in ‘David’? And do I need to refresh my somewhat rusty combinatorics skillz to count all the possibilities? There are eleven possiblities, presuming he’s not doing other esoteric things besides the addition of/replacement with an R. (Combinatorics don’t apply unless he’s rearranging the letters, in which case all bets are odd.) And I’m a pretty atheistic atheist, and even I’m not so bold as to suppose that all religion is a _put on_. Honestly that assumption is no better than the yahoos who claim atheists are faking it. Worse, really, because the conspiracy would be much, much wider. No, no matter how crazy, stupid, ridiculous, or disproven their beliefs are, they still genuinely believe them. Never let it be said that humanity is a rational species. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/52 "2018-04-09T22:48:12Z")
Why is it always Christians that are singled out in these types of posts? I am genuinely curious. For the most part, a lot of what OP explained in general behavior can be applied to any number of religions. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/53 "2018-04-09T22:49:32Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Why is it always Christians that are singled out in these types of posts? I am genuinely curious. > > For the most part, a lot of what OP explained in general behavior can be applied to any number of religions. Because they wield the most political power in this country. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/54 "2018-04-09T22:59:54Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Why is it always Christians that are singled out in these types of posts? I am genuinely curious. > > For the most part, a lot of what OP explained in general behavior can be applied to any number of religions. I would venture to say the OP lived among Christians instead of Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/55 "2018-04-10T01:51:47Z")
I would venture to say the OP lives among people of many religions but only sees the Christians; he may even confuse some other people for Christians. Wouldn’t be the first time I see someone mistake prayer beads from other religions for rosaries, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/56 "2018-04-10T08:11:27Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I’m not saying you’re wrong; that goes without saying. What I am saying is: You’re full of shit. You don’t believe those things, you never did, every time you say them you know you’re lying, and every time you hear someone else say them you know either they’re lying just like you or they’re fucking morons, and it hardly matters which is which, cause the effect is about the same. At least stupid people have an excuse - you don’t. I think you underestimate how irrational and self deluded people can be. Especially when they are taught such nonsense as kids, when they are extra vulnerable. By the time they reach adulthood their entire personality has been warped by the nonsense they were raised to believe in. That’s the point of course; by indoctrinating children when they have no defenses, their minds can be permanently crippled to serve as vehicles for the religion. As adults they’d never buy it. It’s a similar tactic as tobacco companies convincing people to start smoking as children. Adults aren’t likely to start smoking, so they long tried advertising to kids to hook them before they knew better. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/57 "2018-04-10T16:03:43Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Combinatorics don’t apply unless he’s rearranging the letters I know. I was joking about the combinatorics. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/58 "2018-04-10T20:51:26Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I would venture to say the OP lives among people of many religions but only sees the Christians; he may even confuse some other people for Christians. Wouldn’t be the first time I see someone mistake prayer beads from other religions for rosaries, for example. Possibly lives among people of many religions, but if he lives in the West (and especially in the US), then he’s mostly seeing Christians trying to do end runs around the separation of church and state (which, while it’s not a constitutional principle other than in the US, is a good goddamn idea no matter where you are). There aren’t a lot of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc trying to get their religions enshrined into law in the US, at least. Mostly Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/59 "2018-04-11T20:26:25Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I don’t mean those who cheat or steal. > > I do mean the ones who claim to “believe” shit that no sane person - barely even any _in_sane people - could honestly believe. > > Examples: > > - God is a being who exists somewhere > > - all the details in the Bible are true > > - Jesus came back to life after being dead for three days > > - if you pray, God will respond > > - there’s a savior > > I’m not saying you’re wrong; that goes without saying. What I am saying is: You’re full of shit. You don’t believe those things, you never did, every time you say them you know you’re lying, and every time you hear someone else say them you know either they’re lying just like you or they’re fucking morons, and it hardly matters which is which, cause the effect is about the same. At least stupid people have an excuse - you don’t. Are you trying to start a war on Christianity because this is how you get a war on Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2018, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019/60 "2018-04-12T05:53:25Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > separation of church and state (which, while it’s not a constitutional principle other than in the US I’m glad you are not my lawyer, as you’ve managed to post legal information more disinformed than “Americans are the only ones who have the right to bear guns”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-dishonest-christians/812019.md?page=4)