# To lekatt something or pull a lekatt means... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080 "2003-03-13T12:44:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/1 "2003-03-13T12:44:12Z")
To lekatt something or pull a lekatt means… I think that **Lekatt** ’s determined efforts to remain in ignorance and spread it despite and in spite of logic and facts, and his use of false personal anecdotes for what has been reported as over eight years is worthy of naming a bit of internet jargon after him. What do you think it should mean to lekatt something? I vote for the " obdurate ignorance and/or propagation of ignorance despite and in spite of logic and facts" definition. What about you? For references just search these forums for **Lekatt** and any of these terms:’ psychic, near-death experience, afterlife, proof AND/OR visit his website @ [ndeweb.com](http://ndeweb.com) ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/2 "2003-03-13T14:17:12Z")
Just for the records: In Swedish lekatt means weasel. ---
**Author:** ![blanx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@blanx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blanx)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/3 "2003-03-13T14:22:56Z")
No, I think that lekatt is the unit of measurement on the official scale of how far one has his head up his ass. This is not necessarily a measure of distance, but rather a measurement of the committment a person has to cramming the whole head up his ass. Much like the Richter scale, the lekatt scale is logarithmic, but the maximum value is 1 lekatt. So, practical examples- Jesse Jackson- probably .5-.6 lekatt. George W. Bush- .9 lekatt. Lekatt- 1 lekatt. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/4 "2003-03-13T14:34:04Z")
Is there a specific thread, or is this just a “General Principles” Pitting? ---
**Author:** ![blanx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@blanx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blanx)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/5 "2003-03-13T14:45:20Z")
That trainwreck in GD on Contact with the great Beyond- [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=156629) ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/6 "2003-03-13T15:38:21Z")
There _are_ other examples of **Lekatt** ’s lekattness/ lekattity besides Contact with the Great Trainwreck. If you’re really curious just perform a search for **Lekatt** ’s name. You’ll find numerous examples. And there _is_ his own web site. So I guess this is just a general principles pitting. I _am_ serious about creating a term for this sort of behavior to commemorate his obdurate ignorance. I’m gonna use it. If anyone asks me what the hell I’m talking about I’ll just cite this thread here in the **Pit**. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/7 "2003-03-13T17:03:54Z")
Can we expand it a bit and have **Lekitten** for people who only have a touch of the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/8 "2003-03-13T17:19:58Z")
[Lekatt](http://www.werbeka.com/venus/lekatt.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/9 "2003-03-13T18:01:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Epimetheus \* > \*\*[Lekatt](http://www.werbeka.com/venus/lekatt.htm). \*\* Alas no: That’s a l **o** katt (I must admit that I allowed myself some poetic licens when I translated it as weasel. The correct translation is stoat or ermine, but for some reason I thought that weasel had a better sound to it). ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/10 "2003-03-13T18:05:00Z")
Hmm… “To Lekatt” sounds a little stiff… How about “Lekatting”? Though I like the sweedish translation, too… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Azael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Azael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azael)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/11 "2003-03-13T18:17:45Z")
Omg, I just used that term _in that sense exactly_ in another thread in GD… talk about synchronicity. (I must be psychic 😉 ) “Obdurate ignorance and/or propagation of ignorance despite and in spite of logic and facts” is good but I don’t think it covers it entirely… there is still that element of new-agey hidden knowledge he hints at that would “seem so obvious” to anybody who just agreed with him. you know… the whole “All knowledge is based on guesses, you still have much to learn” bit. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/12 "2003-03-13T18:19:23Z")
Actually I find Lekatt’s posts to be inciteful, intelligent, and well-reasoned. Bwaaaaaaaahahahaha! Just yankin’ yer chain.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/13 "2003-03-13T18:27:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blowero \* > \*\*Actually I find Lekatt’s posts to be inciteful, intelligent, and well-reasoned. > > Bwaaaaaaaahahahaha! Just yankin’ yer chain.😃 \*\* Actually, I’m prepared to admit that aliens of Sigma Nebula IV temporarily took control of your mind and made you write that. At least, no-one will ever be able to prove that they _didn’t_ and anyone who tries is a close-minded fascist bastard trying to muzzle my right to free speech! ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/14 "2003-03-13T19:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*Actually, I’m prepared to admit that aliens of Sigma Nebula IV temporarily took control of your mind and made you write that. > > At least, no-one will ever be able to prove that they _didn’t_ and anyone who tries is a close-minded fascist bastard trying to muzzle my right to free speech! \*\* Hell, i just figured he took a nap and woke up with a dream that became an NDE. It’s happened before, wait…no…it must’ve been a dream because how could that fucking be possible? Hmm. Unless you’ve stuck your head up your Lekatt and Lekatted yourself into self-delusion. (I’m all for using Lekatt the way the smurfs would. Instead of swearing, replacing it with the word Lekatt. ) Lekatt off! You are the biggest Lekatthole Would someone please clean up that pile of doglekatt on the Petco floor before someone sues. Etc…etc… ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/15 "2003-03-13T21:03:49Z")
[Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it](http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=6hjbdg%24n2a%40rac8.wam.umd.edu&rnum=22) > [@](#): > > From: Abner Mintz (ajm@wam.umd.edu) > Subject: Netkooks List > Newsgroups: talk.atheism > Date: 1998/04/21 > > Here it is, for your reading pleasure: > > The semi-official talk.atheism net.kooks list! > … > Leroy Kattein 2 stars [lekatt@ionet.net](mailto:lekatt@ionet.net) > Near-death experiences prove God; disagreement is illogical and insulting. > … Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/16 "2003-03-13T22:26:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Azael \* > \*\*Omg, I just used that term _in that sense exactly_ in another thread in GD… talk about synchronicity. (I must be psychic 😉 ) > > “Obdurate ignorance and/or propagation of ignorance despite and in spite of logic and facts” is good but I don’t think it covers it entirely… there is still that element of new-agey hidden knowledge he hints at that would “seem so obvious” to anybody who just agreed with him. > > you know… the whole “All knowledge is based on guesses, you still have much to learn” bit. \*\* you understand my problem as to how to define the term How about: Obdurate ignorance and/or propagation of ignorance despite and in spite of logic and facts on the basis of ostensibly superior or greater knowloedge ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/17 "2003-03-13T22:55:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > **Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it** “It’s taking longer than we thought” indeed… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/18 "2003-03-14T01:07:12Z")
**SimonX** I think your definition needs to include an element of self-delusion bordering on mental illness. There are many on these boards and in life who have very strong beliefs for which they have not much evidence, and who are quite determined to maintain those beliefs come what may. But Lekatt goes beyond that. There is something pitiful (as opposed to Pit-able) about Lekatt, when he will obdurately maintain a falsity when that falsity is so obvious that observers are left wondering about Lekatt’s sanity. Princhester asserting that he is a wiry handsome millionaire babe-magnet is contemptible. Princhester asserting that he has never posted in this thread is pitiful. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/19 "2003-03-14T23:03:54Z")
Any definition should include a reason why this is a typical Lekatt sign-off: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Lekatt_ > We are spiritual beings, there is higher intelligence, and we do live beyond the physical body. These things we have evidence for. Perhaps “to lekatt” should include “irrational dreamer with eyes shut and fingers stuck firmly in ears”? This creature would make a good subject for a Psych paper. Maybe Oliver Sacks could add a chapter to his book, “The man who mistook his wife for a hat.” ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080/20 "2003-03-14T23:14:50Z")
[From: “purple-sunset” \ Subject: naked and shivering: become kattein complaint](http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=363e5315.0%40news.proweb.co.uk&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain) Date: 1998/11/03 Message-ID: \<[363e5315.0@news.proweb.co.uk](mailto:363e5315.0@news.proweb.co.uk)\>#1/1 References: \<[363c2ca0.0@news.proweb.co.uk](mailto:363c2ca0.0@news.proweb.co.uk)\> \<[363cfef1.602756708@news.slip.net](mailto:363cfef1.602756708@news.slip.net)\> \<[363d2c99.170703111@news.ionet.net](mailto:363d2c99.170703111@news.ionet.net)\> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Trace: 3 Nov 1998 00:49:25 GMT, 195.182.164.136 Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday I have written to his ISP, [abuse@ionet.net](mailto:abuse@ionet.net) and also to [abuse@psinet.com](mailto:abuse@psinet.com) Apparently ionet is a subsidiary of psinet. This is what I wrote:… One of your subscribers, Leroy Kattein, has today made a posting to a newsgroup alt.suicide.holiday (ASH). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-lekatt-something-or-pull-a-lekatt-means/161080.md?page=2)