# To Liberal: I'm not pitting you.. I'm just confused **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2007, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489 "2007-02-24T07:42:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/221 "2007-02-25T21:31:31Z")
[QUOTE=Triskadecamus] Reply to: \*\* What Exit\*\* You imply that my admonition to others is a blanket endorsement of **Liberal** ’s posting habits. That implication is not unique to you. I am accused of being his sycophant at times. I am assumed to be on his side of any argument. (My experiences in discussions with him outside of this venue make that assumption in particular rather humorous, but it is not a board visible matter.) The fact that I don’t correct this bias is not proof that it is accurate. It is fairly strong evidence that I think the accusation implicit in it is uninteresting, and choose not to engage it. Whatever blame my post might place on others, it in no way absolves **Liberal** of responsibility for the nature of his interactions with the board in general, nor individual posters in particular. Primarily it does not because I lack authority to absolve such responsibility. It may be that I see the consequences to him more clearly than he does himself, but that is a matter not amenable to proof. Now I will say without weaseling that I find the frequent blather and uproar over “The Things That **Liberal** Said” make the phrase tempest in a teapot a gross over exaggeration. The expressed levels of rage are mind boggling. And oddly enough I have interacted with many of those same posters in an entirely civilized way, agreeing, or disagreeing in turn without undue emotion. Now, about the concept of “enabling” some perceived self destructive or self injurious behavior. The matter was well in motion before I searched my name and found myself mentioned in a thread I had never read. I posted with some degree of amusement that I would be the bagman. This decision has produced more emotion from others than it deserves. The offer, and counter offer were made before I agreed. My agreement was offered in order to make it clear that no subsequent quibbling would be possible. (A vain hope, as it turns out, but not a real problem.) Both parties accept that I am not subject to further supervision on the matter, and my relationship with the SDMB remains unaltered by it. If you feel that my decision makes me culpable in some way for some ineffable harm done to the social fabric of the SDMB community, you have not convinced me that that is a reasonable assessment. You are free to hold to it, of course, and adjust your impression of my character according to it if you feel it is pertinent. Tris [/QUOTE] Thank you for the very polite reply. I only posted the retort to you as it seemed like you were dismissing the reasons that some have a dislike or lack or respect for \*\*Liberal \*\* as being their fault and not **Lib’s**. My comments about enabling concerned both **Lib** & **PRR** as **Poly** and at one other had refused to be the bagman. I do not believe we have ever had a problem before in even a small way, I did not realize you were \*\*Liberal’s \*\* friend until very recently. I did and still do think you are a smart, savvy and interesting poster. I did not like this act of yours, but hey, eventually someone was probably going to be the bagman from the way the thread was going. So no big deal. Really, I was just hoping you did see where \*\*Liberal \*\* causes some of his own problems. [QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Well, for my part, it was about me amusing myself rather than any political or philosophical point I was trying to advance. Frankly, What Exit struck me a big ol’ wet blanket and I tried not to engage him/her more than I absolutely had to. [/QUOTE] I know and you are right, I was being a big wet blanket, but for whatever reason, I did care about stopping the payoff. As long as we are all here to entertain you, did you enjoy the pitting at least? You seemed to. 😉 **Quiddity Glomfuster** , I hope and fully believe we can interact on the rest of the board in a friendly matter, but arguing with you on **Liberal** is doing none of us any good, (well except maybe **Bryan** ). I believe we have had no other problems. We obviously strongly disagree on this. One last note: I do not hate **Lib** , I have never said I hated **Lib**. I have no problem with his politics. I largely stayed out of religious debates and had little problem with **Lib**. You and \*\*Lib \*\* and apparently **Bryan** , do not understand why I think buying off an annoying poster to go away is such a lowly thing to do. \*\*Lib \*\* insists that I just do not understand his reasons. I insist he does not understand my point of view. Jim { **Bryan** , thank you for allowing me to add a little levity to my post. It is much appreciated} ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/222 "2007-02-25T21:38:37Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Well, different people have presented different reasons for disliking him. Are you the spokesman? [/quote] Is there a snarky, asinine form of Buddhism? > [@](#): > > I explained, I clarified, and you tell me I don’t think what I think. :smack: No, I said I think you were full of shit. I think you’re being hypocritical and cannot acknowledge it. > [@](#): > > Funny, that. So you figure the Dalai Lama should just sit down and shut up rather than going around the world speaking to people about how to develop ‘warm hearts’? Please go tell him so if you do. Instead of that, I’ll ask you if that is what you think you’re doing here. Are you telling people to develop warm hearts? It seems more like you are being a snarky, hypocritical, ankle biter. But boy, you’ve warmed my heart. > [@](#): > > Um. Ok. Not seeing anything really useful there, but if you’re happy with that, so be it. I always thought it was a kind of cute and fun saying, it’s true. I’ll say it another way. If one is routinely finding themselves in a variety of dramatic interactions with others and can’t understand why, one might consider that they’ve failed to account for the common denominator in those circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/223 "2007-02-25T21:50:24Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] One of those irregular verbs, huh? “I am determined; you are stubborn; he is pig-headed!” 😛 [/QUOTE] - snerk \* Speak for your own irregularity, sirrah; my bowels of compassion run like clockwork. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/224 "2007-02-25T21:52:01Z")
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th] Quiddity, I’m going to go out on a limb and ask: Are you a Buddhist? [/QUOTE] Well, I couldn’t claim I am. I’m Catholic but not a churchy Catholic. I’ve had a bunch of spiritual influences including Earnest Larson and Hermann Hesse and various clergy I’ve known of various denominations and the Antioch movement and my own retreats, etc. Ellis and Buddhism came later but have informed my opinion quite a bit. > [@](#): > > But I often find, personally, the ‘‘people are responsible for their own reactions’’ concept is a hard sell to people who are not Buddhist or who do not have personal philosophies influenced by Buddhism (or Ellis, as the case may be.) True. No reason that it oughtn’t be suggested they look into it, particularly since science has shown us that anger is actually damaging. > [@](#): > > Hell, sometimes it’s a hard sell to myself, because sometimes you just get pissed and feel righteously justified in being pissed. Yeah, but whence derives that ‘righteousness’? You knock yourself down quite a few pegs if you ask yourself ‘who the hell are you to think you get to make this judgement’ because the answer is, invariably, ‘nobody, really’. > [@](#): > > But on the other hand, others find alternative ways to live happy lives, which may or may not include the personal philosophy of non-attachment. Even setting the issue of spirituality aside, not everyone needs people like Ellis in their lives to tell them to get rational and quit complaining. No and I don’t care by what means people come to peace. I’d just like to see it more widespread than it is. > [@](#): > > Which is why, despite my personal life perspective, I have trouble getting angry at anyone in this thread for what amounts to very human reactions. Do I appear angry? Am I calling anyone names or cussing them out? > [@](#): > > some are involved because they enjoy slinging mud and don’t think message board vitriol should be considered painful or hurtful… Yep. **Klaatu** and I discussed the latter. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, it would be hypocritical of me to attack people for attacking others when the Pit is my favorite forum to frequent (schadenfreude-licious!) Obviously I enjoy it on some level too, else I wouldn’t be here. I find the semantics around the word ‘attack’ very interesting. Like too many English words, it is too imprecise, IMHO. I have said and will continue to insist that it’s one thing to tackle a poster for bad logic, bad, unsupported arguments, or complaining or getting mad over something foolish and quite another to attempt to hurt a person’s feelings. I enjoy the former, too. What I’m protesting is the latter, and I would hope that my protesting of general behaviour is not perceived as a personal attack of anyone, because it’s not. > [@](#): > > I’ve certainly grown a coat of thicker skin since arriving, and I celebrate being able to come here for my daily intellectual ass-kicking. In a way, it’s mental preparation for real life. Thank the lord I’ve never seen a bunch of people pile on and vilify someone the way groups of people do to Liberal. I hope you never do, either. > [@](#): > > Having examined the threads presented and the history of this thing with Liberal, I admit I have difficulty hating him. I would hope you would not without reasons of your own. > [@](#): > > I also believe that everyone who hates him does so because they have been hurt and don’t agree with me. You know what? I might agree with you if people were saying they’d been hurt by him. Other than **twickster** , who got an apology, nobody has. Their big complaints are that he’s an ‘attention-whore’, ‘crazy’ and some other dumb thing. And that’s where I’m saying to myself that there is just no justification here for going postal all over someone. Basically, all I’m hearing is a variation of ‘I don’t like him because he’s a banana-nose doody-head’. And people wonder why I’m not persuaded! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/225 "2007-02-25T22:05:04Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] No, I said I think you were full of shit. [/quote] Probably. But I just ate some fibre. You ask what I’m doing? I’m questioning peoples’ motivations and behaviour in hope they’ll question their own. I know that there have been times when I’ve been challenged to present a reason for why I’ve done or said something, and in the examination of the issue, I’ve realized that I’ve drawn an illogical conclusion and I’ve changed it. I used to get in a snit about a lot more things. Then I had a talk with me and realized, as I told **olivesmarch4** that, really, I was not entitled to think that my wrath was justified over a lot of things. And once I sorted that out, and started changing my own attitudes, I found the result was that I was overall happier and more peaceful - and healthier! Liking someone feels much better than hating someone. Allowing other humans a break because they are flawed (you know - glass houses, stones, etc) is much easier on the spirit. In essence, the payoff of dropping the angst is big. This doesn’t mean you drop all indignation, but you question yourself about whether the issue is worth you expending your health on - and most things aren’t. Certainly getting all in a snit because you don’t like how a poster posts isn’t. So I’m suggesting people examine their reasons for allowing themselves to raise their blood pressure and otherwise do violence to their own bodies to the extent that they feel moved to write a lot of angry, hurtful words aimed at damaging someone and maybe dial them back for their own sakes and just because there’s not enough love in the world so why not try to add more rather than subtract some. I’m not getting answers that sway me towards ‘hate is better’. I don’t expect to. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/226 "2007-02-25T22:05:14Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Thank you for the very polite reply. [/quote] You are quite welcome. > [@](#): > > I only posted the retort to you as it seemed like you were dismissing the reasons that some have a dislike or lack or respect for \*\*Liberal \*\* as being their fault and not **Lib’s**. Oddly enough, I don’t think it’s their fault either. It seems inherent in the medium. The most difficult skill of all in internet posting seems to be that pesky page down key. I am guilty of it myself, of course. Give me a tough day at work, and a pet position being mocked, or a many times refuted claim being repeated, and I turn all teeth and claws myself. I have learned to delete those posts before sending in most cases, but every now and then, when defending the core of right and truth from the beleaguering hordes of willful agents of evil and their unwashed barbarian dupes I slip in an uncharitable generalization or two. 🙂 But, if they don’t like it they can kiss my rosy red ass. Tris (we are in the pit, right?) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/227 "2007-02-25T22:11:33Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] You know what? I might agree with you if people were saying they’d been hurt by him. Other than **twickster** , who got an apology, nobody has. Their big complaints are that he’s an ‘attention-whore’, ‘crazy’ and some other dumb thing. And that’s where I’m saying to myself that there is just no justification here for going postal all over someone. Basically, all I’m hearing is a variation of ‘I don’t like him because he’s a banana-nose doody-head’. And people wonder why I’m not persuaded! 😉 [/QUOTE] I know I said I would stop posting, but I cannot let something so stupid pass! This is _not_ what people have been saying, you idiot. People have given you ample evidence of **Liberal’s** past behavior, and even he has admitted some responsibility for the circus acts he has brought upon us. But you _choose_ to ignore all of it. If this is your MO, I beg you to stay out of GD. Furthermore, since when does a person have to be _personally_ hurt by an individual to not like that person? **Liberal** has never hurt me, but we’ve had some spats here that made me not like him very much. During those fights, I felt like he wasn’t being a fair debater. Is disingeniuity not a good reason to dislike someone? Or is that, along with attention-whoring, something that isn’t worthy of villication to you? One can dislike a poster also based on how he treats _others_. I’ve disliked a number of posters on this board and never once interacted with them, because I’ve seen how they operate with other posters. Is that wrong too? The messageboard is not some alien space. It functions just like the real world does. Maybe you go around loving everybody you meet, even when you see them acting like a jerk, but that’s not how most of us operate. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/228 "2007-02-25T22:15:56Z")
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th] Having examined the threads presented and the history of this thing with **Liberal** , I admit I have difficulty hating him. He seems to be pretty up-front about his personal flaws and the kind of person who wants to make things right with those he hurts unintentionally. I agree with the assessment upthread that his beliefs and ideas are inconsistent with those of many Dopers but that he follows them consistently. And if he did change his story for the $500 **prr** deal, I wouldn’t fault him for it. My best interpretation of those events were that he made an offhand comment/insult, prr challenged it, it pissed him off and so he followed through–something he regrets only insofar as it has made him more of a target on this board ( **Liberal** feel free to correct me, just my interpretation based on reading the thread.) [/QUOTE] I can see how you could draw that conclusion, and I can see why someone else might do it for that reason. But if I personally reasoned that way, I would have paid a lot of other people first. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/229 "2007-02-25T22:16:08Z")
Thanks for the reply, **Quiddity.** I made a mistake, I think, in that my whole post looked like it was directed at only you. Really the first paragraph was directed at just you–the rest just general musings on the topic at hand, personal perspectives, etc. Which is not to say you can’t respond to that stuff, just that I wouldn’t take it as a personal comment. So when I say, ‘‘I can’t feel angry’’ I’m not implying _you_ must be angry at everyone, just musing out loud, in general. I’m having a weird sort of personal reaction/moral dilemma thing going on with this thread even though I don’t have a personal stake in its outcome. Just trying to work all of that out. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/230 "2007-02-25T22:17:13Z")
**monstro** Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn why people dislike him. I think it’s stupid that people expect me to adopt their reasons to dislike him, however, and I feel free to ridicule the reasons I’ve seen thus far because I feel most of them are unfounded and the rest just amount to personal gripes. My objection is to mistreating someone and being vicious and vituperative about the person merely because you dislike him. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/231 "2007-02-25T22:18:18Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] I say this without any personal rancor or malice: you are unbelievably annoying. Please fuck off, already. [/QUOTE] We often find annoying in others what we dislike about ourselves, whether it be sanctimony, smugness, superiority, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/232 "2007-02-25T22:18:47Z")
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th] So when I say, ‘‘I can’t feel angry’’ I’m not implying _you_ must be angry at everyone, just musing out loud, in general. [/quote] OK, cool. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/233 "2007-02-25T22:21:25Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I’m not getting answers that sway me towards ‘hate is better’. I don’t expect to. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Jesus, you’re a fucking mess, aren’t you? Are all of your arguments this disingenuous, obtuse and full of strawmen? Has anyone suggested that you or anyone else should hate **Liberal**? If you want to attempt to adopt some sort of sanctimonious position in which you guide the unwashed masses into the light of harmony, you might want to try to actually understand where they are coming from first. This will help you lead them to where you want them to go. Telling them that they only feel this way because they are part of a mob hell bent on hating someone for no good reason isn’t going to get it done. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/234 "2007-02-25T22:23:10Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] My objection is to mistreating someone and being vicious and vituperative about the person merely because you dislike him. [/QUOTE] [Yes, that’s certainly objectionable, isn’t it?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8269025&postcount=56) ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/235 "2007-02-25T22:27:44Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] :rolleyes: Jesus, you’re a fucking mess, aren’t you? [/quote] Actually, no. > [@](#): > > Has anyone suggested that you or anyone else should hate **Liberal**? People seem to be quite upset that I don’t. > [@](#): > > If you want to attempt to adopt some sort of sanctimonious position in which you guide the unwashed masses into the light of harmony Well, no. I was just saying that I benefitted from making some changes and am glad of it so others might wish to give it a try. > [@](#): > > you might want to try to actually understand where they are coming from first. Explain what I am missing. I asked what was so egregious about you-know-who, got a bunch of answers, saw nothing even close to egregious. I did see what appeared to be a lot of people misconstruing some posts and, when the poster tried to correct the misunderstandings, was accused, as I now am, of ‘lying’ and being ‘disingenuous’. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/236 "2007-02-25T22:31:41Z")
[QUOTE=wring] and, on topic, a message to \*\* Lib\*\*. I think you were/are best served when you self exile from the pit. written words on a screen seem to at times cause you damage. sarcasm, irony, intent aren’t easily discerned on line. you can choose to remain in the forums where personal attacks are not allowed. I don’t know if you still respect me or my opinions, but there it is. [/QUOTE] Of course I respect your opinion. In fact, I _value_ your opinion. And I would do what you suggest but for one thing. I like the passion of the Pit. It’s a lot like football. What I used to love most about playing football was the hit. I was a tight end, and I loved being hit. (It may be tied psychologically to my brother’s beatings, I don’t know, but still…) Yes, it hurt to get hit. But unless something just downright breaks your bones, it is edifying to suffer and recover. When I first came here in '99, I had the thinnest imaginable rhetorical skin. DavidB advised me to thicken it up. My emotions have both hardened and softened, becoming more in balance — as you can see. I’m nowhere close to the dreaded “meltdown”, and it has been heartening to learn that other people (plural!) have seen things from my point of view, to the extent that such a thing can be done. But I’ll meet you half way, and at least attempt to avoid personal tongue lashings in the manner of my recent dressing down of ETF for attacking Lissa. Quiddity has provided the exemplary model for dressing down an argument as opposed to a person. Compare how she talks to Giraffe, and how he talks to her, for example. I believe I can learn from it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/237 "2007-02-25T22:32:08Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] **monstro** Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn why people dislike him. I think it’s stupid that people expect me to adopt their reasons to dislike him, however, and I feel free to ridicule the reasons I’ve seen thus far because I feel most of them are unfounded and the rest just amount to personal gripes. My objection is to mistreating someone and being vicious and vituperative about the person merely because you dislike him. [/QUOTE] This one is too much fun. This is the kind of post that just needs to be laughed at. Who suggested that \*\*you \*\* should dislike **liberal**? At very least, a few others and I suggested that new posters should of course remain open minded. Was this all an exercise to try and convince you to dislike **Liberal**? I wish you told us that up front. 😃 Og knows you do not need to agree with us, but you should at least have the decency to acknowledge that we can feel what we feel without your needling ridicule. As someone that wants to spread love and joy, I think you need to work on your delivery methods. You appear to be using a pickaxe where a cup would work much better. BTW: Please give us a straight answer to \*\*ETF’s \*\* post. What is your position on \*\*Liberal’s \*\* vicious and vituperative post? You have now pushed over to the sublime in your posts in this thread. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/238 "2007-02-25T22:34:40Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] [Yes, that’s certainly objectionable, isn’t it?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8269025&postcount=56) [/QUOTE] Which was what I just mentioned to Wring. I shouldn’t have done that. I should have defended Lissa without attacking you on a personal level. I’m sure an apology would fall flat, so I won’t insult you by offering it. But I am curious about one thing. Can you recall, without searching, how you and I became so opposed? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/239 "2007-02-25T22:37:08Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] My objection is to mistreating someone and being vicious and vituperative about the person merely because you dislike him. [/QUOTE] An objection that applies to me in more than one instance. More in times past and less now, but still. Of course, it applies to all of us. People just choose to provide links to mine rather than to their own. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489/240 "2007-02-25T22:40:12Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I’m not getting answers that sway me towards ‘hate is better’. I don’t expect to. [/QUOTE] Three words: Double bladed lightsaber. Come, child, you _know_ you want one. It can be yours, all you have to do is give in, accept the haaaaate… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-liberal-im-not-pitting-you-im-just-confused/393489.md?page=13)