To my friend on FaceBook who has been spewing anti-healthcare-reform messages for the past 6 months

You’re right. We did assume no insurance in this instance, and that may not be accurate. However, maybe it IS accurate. If not for this family, then for many, many families who are battling serious illness without insurance.

Like to paint with a broad brush there, eh?

I’m a conservative, and do not post those types of things, specifically because I assume most people don’t particularly care about my political positions.

Seriously, the amount of Obama knob-slobbing vs. Right Wing blather I see on Facebook is ridiculously slanted toward the Left. It seems that when a Lefty posts their latest “Save the Children/Environment/Poor/Downtrodden” petition, it’s no big deal, because it’s the correct position, and all of the “GWB Eats a Dick” parody videos are nothing but hilarious.

But anything from the other side? It’s the WORST THING EVAR!

Yeah, your neighbor was grateful. Aren’t most people who have to resort to begging grateful when someone helps them at their most desperate? The only reason your neighbor needed such a show of support is because their kid was in dire straights and they couldn’t afford to get them out of it by themselves. And so I’m sure that if your neighbor could back in time and choose between 1) having the opportunity of feeling yummy gratitude warm the cockles of their heart because people gave them handouts and 2) the comfort in knowing that their kid was going to receive care regardless of the turnout at their 50th spaghetti dinner of the month, they’d choose the later. What sane person wouldn’t?

Sure okay. Whatever you say.

Whatever works. I would rather not ask total strangers to pay for me. YMMV.

I don’t get this, are you suggesting that the spaghetti dinners would be populated entirely by family and friends? $80,000 from family and friends buying your spaghetti? You’re an idiot.

Unless you’re self-insured or insured through a very small cooperative, total strangers are exactly who is (or will be) paying for you.

And I’m left wondering why relying on the kindness of total strangers is completely different and somehow worse than relying on the kindness of neighbors, work acquaintances, and extended family members. Why are they more beholden to your care than a stranger?

My sister, fully insured and an RN spent $20k out of pocket on medical expenses for her breast cancer treatments. That DIDN’T include time off work or the extra help she had around the house or daycare for the kids. She had an $8k out of pocket maximum and reached it in three seperate coverage years.

She’ll get another $8k this year because she postponed reconstruction until now.

That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of taxes referred to as the “kindness of strangers”.

Oh, confirmation bias… where would we be without you?

hope you like spaghetti*
*this is obviously not meant to make light of your sister or your family’s terrible predicament, but to show just how dumb the idea is

Because the total strangers don’t get to see you grovel?

-Joe

as opposed to what? the unjust spoils of marauders who just happen to use their ill-gotten gains to pay for, among other things, roads, hospitals, courts, police, and fire fighters.

… are you really saying that you’re against saving the children, environment, poor and downtrodden?

I feel your pain, Athena. It’s tough, as a Canadian, keeping my mouth shut when random people at the dog park start going on about Obamacare. Do they really think people are dying in droves in Canada? Don’t you think we would have noticed?

ETA: in case it’s unclear, I am a Canadian living in the US.

It won’t work. Although I have to admit, the “Let’s just throw a lot of spaghetti dinner fundraisers to pay for health care!” proposal is one of the more craptastically bad ones I’ve seen so far, so congratulations to you for that.

Kinda my point…we all unable to see things without bias…

That’s equally as stupid, but not more so.

Supporting healthcare for all even if it means higher taxes is closer to kindness than supporting healthcare via the dear-neighbor-won’t-you-please-pay-for-little Timmy’s-chemo-shots-by-buying-a-box-of-donuts-or-else-he’ll-die!!! route.

That’s horrible! I’m an RN and everywhere I’ve worked I’ve had insurance so good that everyone was green with envy. This is one profession where you have jobs waiting for you, I hope she decides to look for a better benefits package for the future. They’re out there, that’s for sure.

If it makes you feel better, taxes are nothing like asking for help. Not even close.

Frankly I would be mortified if I had to dump my medical emergency bills on my family. That shit’s expensive.

False. The former example does not take into consideration the taxes taken from those who do not support healthcare, while the latter is actually done out of a desire to do something nice. Your statement is factually incorrect.