# To My Hypocritical Finnish Friend **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2015, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167 "2015-10-30T12:39:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/21 "2015-10-30T19:06:10Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > The birch trees are getting bored now? I thought it was just the ash trees. > > How do you entertain a tree anyway? Don’t get us started on the maples/oaks class conflict… ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/22 "2015-10-30T19:08:40Z")
She’s Finnish; perhaps she was trolling you. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/23 "2015-10-30T19:15:02Z")
Put on a Show ! Right there and then. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/24 "2015-10-30T19:30:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I doubt it. Have you ever pointed out someone’s hypocrisy and had them respond, “hey, I never thought about it that way”? No. People just don’t do that; they invariably say, “no, that’s totally different” and give you a nonsensical reason why they’re not hypocritical that makes sense only to them. The point isn’t to make them reconsider. It’s to indirectly tell them that their comments are not welcome. Personally, I think it’s passive aggressive, but a lot of Miss Manners stuff is. I think a better tactic is just to change the subject every time they bring it up. Or, if you think it will go well enough (or the previous sentence doesn’t work), just tell them. You can just say it makes you uncomfortable to talk about it. Or have a debate and then agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/25 "2015-10-30T20:47:46Z")
Next time she’s on about it tell her in no uncertain terms to move back to Finland or shut the fuck up. Some people only understand explosive rage. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/26 "2015-10-30T20:54:12Z")
She’s crossed the line! [sub]Finnish line, that is[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![nicky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f0a364/32.png) [@nicky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicky)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/27 "2015-10-30T21:35:46Z")
The correct way to deal with scandinavians\* is to forget their country exists and randomly assign them one of the other three nationalities\*. And then fail to grasp what particular combination of reindeer bothering, binge drinking and pious hypocrisy their miserable little region is supposedly renowned . - add extra fun by confusing nordic and scandinavian. As a final floutish, throw your hands in the air and declare finns russian and danes german. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/28 "2015-10-30T23:17:00Z")
Finnish food is great if you like heavy rye bread with whole fish baked inside. And elk. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/29 "2015-10-31T00:03:05Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Finnish food is great if you like heavy rye bread with whole fish baked inside. And elk. That’s a pretty big loaf if you can fit an elk in it. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/30 "2015-10-31T00:37:45Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > That’s a pretty big loaf if you can fit an elk in it. Rye, the sturdy grain. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/31 "2015-10-31T01:00:43Z")
> [@nicky](#): > > The correct way to deal with scandinavians\* is to forget their country exists and randomly assign them one of the other three nationalities\*. And then fail to grasp what particular combination of reindeer bothering, binge drinking and pious hypocrisy their miserable little region is supposedly renowned . > > - add extra fun by confusing nordic and scandinavian. As a final floutish, throw your hands in the air and declare finns russian and danes german. And just keep talking so they don’t get a chance to complain, and throw in a rant about Allen wrenches segueing into _“Y’know, the way IKEA makes us use ‘em instead of good ol’ non-metric blade screwdrivers…you and IKEA are both Danish modern, right? So, I had a prune danish the other day, you probably grew up on them, Danish and Dutch are different things right? 'Cause I like chocolate too, I wonder if they make chocolate danish, but they’re both neighbors of Scandinavia, right? Do you get along with them? Ooh, and Nutella!..”_ ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/32 "2015-10-31T12:05:31Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Don’t get us started on the maples/oaks class conflict… I think the oaks have a right to all the sunlight they want, although I don’t want to rush to judgement. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/33 "2015-10-31T14:36:05Z")
Anyone else keep reading this as “hypothetical Finnish friend”? I keep thinking Skald got you really upset in one of his polls or something. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/34 "2015-10-31T14:54:11Z")
Yes! I have a lot of hypothetical friends. Albanians, Ethiopians, Martians… ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/35 "2015-10-31T15:52:05Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > And the only response you have to any of this is that “it’s different?!” Your own shit always is. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/36 "2015-10-31T17:18:25Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It’s part of a common world wide attitude towards America. Everyone wants to be here, everyone wants what we have, but they have to say they hate us to get cred with their peers. It’s not like Americans don’t do the same thing in other countries, except that everything actually is better here. America! Fuck Yeah! US mass shootings, systemic racism, obesity, broken down public school system, crumbling infrastructure, grid-locked politics, and startling economic inequality are second to none! ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/37 "2015-10-31T17:19:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The point isn’t to make them reconsider. It’s to indirectly tell them that their comments are not welcome. Personally, I think it’s passive aggressive, but a lot of Miss Manners stuff is. > > I think a better tactic is just to change the subject every time they bring it up. Or, if you think it will go well enough (or the previous sentence doesn’t work), just tell them. You can just say it makes you uncomfortable to talk about it. Or have a debate and then agree to disagree. Don’t comment on human relationships when you are unable to leave your mom’s basement and interact with people IRL. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/38 "2015-11-01T16:39:08Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Don’t comment on human relationships when you are unable to leave your mom’s basement and interact with people IRL. Don’t comment on human relationships when you think that’s remotely something you can say to other people. You do not get to make fun of someone’s mental illness, you fucking sack of filth. You do not get to take the absolute worst thing that ever happened to someone and use that to score points against them. How would you like it if you had been raped, and I said you didn’t have the right to talk in relationship threads because of it? Or if you had a child die in your arms and people said you couldn’t comment in child rearing threads? Mental illness is not some allowable thing to discriminate against someone for. For the same reason I do not get to tell Czarcasm that he deserved to be raped, you do not have the right to make fun of me for my agoraphobia. \*\*I said only what the fucking experts also say. Notice you have no counterargument? \*\* That’s because I had a life before agoraphobia. Because I am intelligent, I analyzed how social interactions worked. I talked it over with experts, and got a clear idea of how the world works. Sure, some other Dopers have done the same thing (in fact, most of them have, since this is an intellectual messageboard), and then can go toe to toe with me. But you bloody vaginas clearly can’t. **I do not lack experience.** Any claim that I do is based on you being too stupid to understand. I get out. I interact with people. I have 23 years of doign so before agoraphobia was ever a thing. You make fun of me because you are stupid and that’s the only thing you have to use. The only reason I let this shit go is that I feel sorry for you sad sacks of shit that get your self-worth by attacking someone because he dared admit his mental illness. If you disagree with me, you can argue with me. You can nicely bring up some lack of experience. But you DO NOT GET TO USE MY MENTAL ILLNESS to score points. Plus doing this shit is just another reason for me to continue doing whatever it is that bothers you. Because you are a horrible human being, and I will not give you what you want. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/39 "2015-11-01T16:50:19Z")
Note: absolutely no animosity towards **Czarcasm** meant in that post. He was just the first poster that came to mind when I thought about someone who had been raped. And he’s also someone I get into arguments with. The whole point is that I would be a horrible, horrible person if I ever said that to try to win an argument with him. _ **I would never, ever do that.** _ If I could still edit, I would replace it with something more generic rather than name a poster. This shit is why I hate getting angry, as I forget to check to make sure I didn’t say anything stupid or that could be interpreted badly. Hence, it’s why I’m okay when you guys shit on me for that. It’s a legitimate failing. **But you do not get to shit on me for being mentally ill, or use that against me in arguments.** Again, while Czarcasm and I don’t always see eye to eye, and he gets frustrating, _ **I would never, ever do that.** _ It was just a poorly thought out example. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167/40 "2015-11-01T16:57:05Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But you bloody vaginas clearly can’t. Did you just use a female body part as a slur? Edit: stupid rhetorical question. You clearly did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-my-hypocritical-finnish-friend/736167.md?page=3)