# To the bed-wetting Hillary Clinton "supporters" in the Elections Forum... a moment of your time, pls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681 "2016-09-11T18:09:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/1 "2016-09-11T18:09:53Z")
(I originally wrote this in response to the [Hillary has lost this election](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=804355) thread, but decided it was too “pitty” (to coin a Buffy-ism), so here it is. I didn’t bother with editing it, so it will sound like a reply. Y’all can pit me for that if you wish.) I do not have the slightest idea if this will get me a warning, but I feel that I have to say it: Hillary supporters here absolutely suck at messaging. If you talk like this in the outside world the same way you do here, then you, yourself, are losing her this election. This very week, on the base narrative level where emotions are made, it was proven that she was speaking the truth all along in regards to these emails, that she was following the advice of Colin Powell who, himself, disregarded State Dept guidelines… I wonder how many of you spoke of this outside the confines of this message board, to the world of trump supporters? How many of you are now internally whining while reading this, “well, I don’t want people to get MAD at me on Facebook” instead of speaking your mind, for Hillary, against Trump? How many of you are speaking out in public, church, bumper stickers, yard signs, private conversations, group chats with friends, etc? And not anonymously on the internet (I don’t count personal accounts on FB or, set up right, Twitter to be anonymous) - in public, with your name and face being identified with your words? I just get the impression that it is very few of the HRC supporters on this board that do so. Because it seems to me that, instead of taking the “Deplorable” comment, and running with it, people here act like a bunch of 3rd stringers sitting on the bench, worried how this play affects the final outcome of the game, fearful of the opponent and his fans, talking only amongst themselves not even bothering to stand up and cheer your team on even if… no… _especially when_ you think it could have gone better. What the fucking hell, people? Do y’all act like this outside this board? I take on these people all the time, and I win. Constantly. Hell, on Wednesday I got into a Twitter conversation with somebody, literally spouted the Straight Dope Message Board rules of debate engagement at him, and it got the attention of a man with a big following. That one conversation, started about Trump and Iraq, received over 1000 likes and retweets, at least 20x that number of impressions, and got the attention of news pundits, billionaires, and other influencers. My phone just blew up and it was awesome. Yesterday I got into a conversation with four Trump supporters about the logistics needed to deport 11m people. At start, they were accusing me of hate speech, and I calmly led them through my argument… using the calculators on their own phones. Shut them down, one saying “I appreciate the way you think.” I concluded with “look, I dont expect you to vote for Hillary but Johnson is a Republican in Libertarians clothing and is worth a serious look. Standing there in the booth, you may wish to heed Ted Cruz’s voice and vote your conscience… and if that means the Presidential line is left blank because y’all find all candidates unacceptable, well… that, too, is a vote.” One of my best efforts, but I had the numbers, logic, and courage to talk outside my bubble. And instead of walking away, playing the conversation I _would have had_ in an attempt to make me feel better, I replayed the conversation that \*I actually had \*, one that left 4 Trump supporters in doubt and appreciative of it. Last night, I tweeted to about 40 influencers the following message: “I ran some numbers: Under Trump, 81% of people to be deported are Catholics, 1 of every 9 Catholics in US. Did you know this?” Dozens of retweets, comments, and three requests by Catholic leaders to link to my numbers and methodology I’m route optimizing all Dem GOTV lists here in Bexar County - people are already predicting a 50% increase in GOTV activity because of my work. But here on the SDMB, the appearance is that the battle is lost because the other team still has fans! :rolleyes: This is such a winnable battle, it’s so damn easy and it’s just tiring to see you third-string, third-rate benchwarmers just flail about like all is lost, though we have had the lead since 12:37 to go in the first quarter. Stop being whiny-assed bedwetting losers, stand up, and fucking go to battle… or just shut the hell up and let us adults win this thing. Time is running out. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/2 "2016-09-11T18:29:57Z")
Wow. Ur kewl. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/3 "2016-09-11T18:42:40Z")
Coming in here I expected you to be a bit more specific in regards to the Pittee. It seems to me that one poster in particular falls into the “sky is falling” camp. Everyone else seems much more rational. Other than that, save your energy for the fight. You’ve been a helpful source of facts and analysis. Keep your head there and don’t worry so much about the angst. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/4 "2016-09-11T18:43:09Z")
Relax, **John**. Have a nice cuppa chamomile tea, put your feet up, read some Twain or Wodehouse. Keep your chin up, just don’t lead with it. Trump is a cornucopia of stupid shit to say, a Horn of Plenty that is his pie-hole. Its two months to go, and he _will_ fuck this up. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/5 "2016-09-11T18:59:54Z")
What the fuck. This is not a board for political operatives. I couldn’t care less about how many people you reach on Twitter or how important you think they are. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/6 "2016-09-11T19:14:43Z")
You came here for action? Oh, I’m sorry! This is the argument department! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/7 "2016-09-11T19:16:44Z")
No, it isn’t you toffy-nosed malodorous\* git!\* ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/8 "2016-09-11T19:31:04Z")
“There are two ways to run for office—scared or unopposed.” - John Glenn Clinton isn’t unopposed. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/9 "2016-09-11T19:41:20Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m route optimizing all Dem GOTV lists here in Bexar County - people are already predicting a 50% increase in GOTV activity because of my work. What the fuck does that even mean? You’re providing GPS coordinates to GOTV offices? So the reason there wasn’t enough GOTV activity is because vote motivators didn’t know where to go? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/10 "2016-09-11T19:50:04Z")
You know **JohnT** , the really good news is you’re probably the only person on this board who has 0 chance of being diagnosed with brain cancer. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/11 "2016-09-11T20:03:01Z")
I can’t say I disagree with the sentiment of “If you actually care, then do something about it.” But I don’t see how you can determine from what people post here whether they are actually doing anything or not. I’ll admit that people saying “Clinton lost the election” are being overly fatalistic and need to actually keep trying instead of giving up. But that’s one guy. The rest were just speculating on how her fainting spell will play out politically. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/12 "2016-09-11T20:13:29Z")
I now feel so ashamed for not loving Hillary enough. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/13 "2016-09-11T20:21:18Z")
I get that this is satire about how Donald Trump would act if he were some piece of shit Elections Forum hack, and you _do_ sound like him – “people are already predicting” and “third-string, third-rate benchwarmers” really capture that loathsome, smug air of total intellectual bankruptcy – I’m just not sure it really pops. You know? ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/14 "2016-09-11T21:20:03Z")
The two campaign threads over at Elections are supposed to be about the _ **campaigns.** _ It’s “Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Campaign Discussion,” not “Hillary For President!” Unfortunately, they’re too full of pom-pom girls like you with lots of “data” and no political horse sense. I stopped participating yesterday because I don’t feel like having to do an ELI5 for people like you every time I post something that doesn’t have a number in it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/15 "2016-09-11T22:54:47Z")
I’ve read, mostly by the same poster over and over, variations on “this campaign is over” dozens of times, with alternating winners. Frankly, I think some people just like drama and they will try their best to invent it if it doesn’t already exist. But acting like this board is somehow politically important is nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58956e/32.png) [@Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emtar_KronJonDerSohn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/16 "2016-09-11T23:23:57Z")
Will you autograph the calculator on my phone? ETA - I can multi window on my phone, so just respond “The numbers are in. You’re my greatest fan! -JohnT” ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/17 "2016-09-11T23:56:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You know **JohnT** , the really good news is you’re probably the only person on this board who has 0 chance of being diagnosed with brain cancer. Thank God for that. I’ve heard that brain cancer is almost as bad as milk steak. Have you had milk steak? It’s about as bad as brain cancer. > [@Emtar\_KronJonDerSohn](#): > > ETA - I can multi window on my phone, so just respond What? When did this happen? My phone doesn’t have any windows. It has a door and some Christmas lights but not a window. When did people start getting windows on their phones? Jesus, it’s like the Apocalypse is here. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/18 "2016-09-12T00:17:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I take on these people all the time, and I win. Constantly. I am awed, and would wish to subscribe to your newsletter, except that the dazzling flow of erudition might feed my inferiority complex. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/19 "2016-09-12T01:16:39Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I get that this is satire about how Donald Trump would act if he were some piece of shit Elections Forum hack, and you _do_ sound like him – “people are already predicting” and “third-string, third-rate benchwarmers” really capture that loathsome, smug air of total intellectual bankruptcy – I’m just not sure it really pops. You know? Jimmy Chitwood, you are my hero 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681/20 "2016-09-12T01:38:41Z")
I’ve notices a lot more Dems than Pubs on this board (I assume because of the proportion of each on this board) who seem to have the following rules when posting. 1. My side is always right 2. The other side is full of idiots. 3. When confronted with facts that conflict with #1 and #2, obfuscate, equivocate or ignore. Considering that’s how most people (on both sides of the aisle) argue politics in the real world, we just accept it and move on except for a few trolls here and there. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-bed-wetting-hillary-clinton-supporters-in-the-elections-forum-a-moment-of-your-time-pls/765681.md?page=2)