# To the members of SDMB: Another one bites the dust. Are you next? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2001, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010 "2001-07-02T21:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/161 "2001-07-03T22:30:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monster104 \* > \*\*I thank **manny** for apologizing, and I apologize to him as well (I was a little stressed and upset at the time I posted that. I’m not normally that abrasive.) > > I also feel I should apologize to **Tuba** because she was doing what she felt was proper under the circumstances. I shouldn’t have called her a bitch because of that, and for that I’m sorry. > \*\* Since your message was even much more, uh, vehement than mine was, it doubtless took a lot more to apologize for it. Thanks, man. That was cool. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/162 "2001-07-03T22:31:23Z")
GOOD GOD, WOULD YOU PEOPLE JUST SHUT UP?!?!? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/163 "2001-07-03T22:33:53Z")
I have nothing more to add than that I hate you all equally. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/164 "2001-07-03T22:34:20Z")
Yeah **rob** , because I’m sure **Ed Zotti** gives a flying fuck about about a pissant like **Silo**.\*\* :rolleyes: Get a fucking grip. \*\*[sub]Or any of us indivdually, for that manner[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/165 "2001-07-03T22:36:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Manservant Hecubus \* > \*\*I have nothing more to add than that I hate you all equally. \*\* THAT is an opinion I’m beginning to AGREE with! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/166 "2001-07-03T22:37:01Z")
> [@](#): > > . I won’t be satisfied until you call me a Nazi. Coldy gets called a Nazi all the time. I mean, I try and I try and I just can’t live up to it. > > :: sniff :: > > It’s just not fair. Ah, there’s your problem, **Euty**. Nazis don’t ::sniff:: back tears. They only ::sniff:: when being haughty and menacing. Try somthing like: _Zo mein little poster, you think to criticize me? ::sniff:: I wipe mongrel filth like you off my boot every morning._ If that doesn’t work, try a little Hitler hand puppet. It did wonders for Tim Conway. ---
**Author:** ![NPavelka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/edb3f5/32.png) [@NPavelka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NPavelka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/167 "2001-07-03T22:38:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > **Yeah rob, because I’m sure Ed Zotti gives a flying fuck about about a pissant like Silo.** > :rolleyes: > Get a fucking grip. > \*\*[sub]Or any of us indivdually, for that manner[/sub] \*\* But you are a poster just like Silo… don’t call yourself a pissant, I’m sure there is a important person just waiting to get out under all that eye rolling, condensending attitude, and teen age anger… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/168 "2001-07-03T22:41:25Z")
Boy, the board is moving so fast this afternoon it almost makes up for how VERY much I hate you all, individually and collectively. I’m going someplace fun. You folks can continue your sad entertainment if you wish. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/169 "2001-07-03T22:44:02Z")
I have the teenage anger because I support the mods/admins, and think that people are really, really out of line in this thread (you included)? ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/170 "2001-07-03T22:46:42Z")
> [@](#): > > I think Ed Zotti needs to get involved here, and stand up for what is right instead of making a managerial decision. Instead of showing solidarity of the Mods/Admins we, the lowly posters need to see that the two people who made the mistake of banning Silo are sacked. It wasn’t a mistake. It was a judgment that you disagree with. I can see how it might be difficult to tell the difference while wrapped up in self-righteous indignation. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/171 "2001-07-03T22:49:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robgruver \* > \*\*Oh, and in case anyone [cares](http://fff.fathom.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000315.html). \*\* Before the above was posted, I didn’t remember reading any **Silo** posts so I had no opinion about the guy. Based on the above link and the above link only, **Silo** appears to be a fucking jerk-off. How fucking sick is it that this “issue” has beld over to another MB? In fact, how fucking sick is it that I’m even posting about this? That does it, I’m going for a bike ride. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/172 "2001-07-03T22:50:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hajario \* > \*\*The exact same pit thread started by one person will earn “atta boys” but if posted by a different person will get a dozen counter-attack posts and a night of bashing on IRC. \*\* Ain’t that the truth! stoid ---
**Author:** ![Mercutio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Mercutio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mercutio)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/173 "2001-07-03T22:56:16Z")
::plays "Why Can’t We Be Friends?"by Marvin Gaye and sings along:: ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/174 "2001-07-03T23:00:30Z")
A couple of observations: **1)** **Silo** is still being a jerk. Apparently his “repeat as necessary” quotient is een higher than I had imagined. **2)** He is pretending, perhaps even to himself, that no time posts intervened between his mention of the search workaround and **Manny’s** profane reaction. **3** He is still trying to weasel out of responsibility for his intial post. He is also mischaracterizing that post"I was trying to help you guys out, I thought the problem I mentioned (which literally took me 5 minutes to figure out) could be fixed." Compare that to: > [@](#): > > Actually you can still do a search with “any date” and “all forums” … you just have to type in the URL coding, but it still does work. > . > . > . > Well I seriously doubt many people know how to utilize what I’m talking about. So the limited few that understand it can have a little luxury. FTR, I use the search function maybe once a month, I wouldn’t be heartbroken if they eliminated it. Sure – that sounds like posting a bug so that the administration can fix it. I have nothing personally against **Silo**. I have sometimes enjoyed his presence in #chat. But he earned his banning. It appears that he continues to earn it by not acepting responsibility for his own decisions. _C’est la vie_\* ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/175 "2001-07-03T23:04:00Z")
There’s one major error in judgment that no one, in all these pages–I think, I could have easily missed it–has pointed out. It’s an old story, and names don’t much matter because it has played out many times, and will play out many times more, with the names of the characters changing but the actions remaining the same. Once upon a time, there was a disruptive fellow. His actions were of a common breed on message boards–being a jerk, using sock puppets, being indignantly and righteously adamant about his “right” to do so. He was banned–a couple times. And then they let him back in, probation-like. _They let him back in._ And, some time later, he gets banned–again–and is thus the center of a shitstorm of histrionics, melodrama, and people making speeches that they’ll probably be embarassed about in a short passage of time once the whole issue calms down. I’m trying to figure out why anyone is surprised by this, and I’m failing. (That’s my own role in the repeating story.) But, this isn’t an “all of you just shut up shut up shut up!!!” post. The story plays out, and it needs to; the things said here openly will also be said, or more precisely, muttered, not in the open; as people validate their own version of events, interesting and contradictory tales of it will emerge–when they do, having this thread here will be handy. I don’t quite understand why it can’t play out with less screaming, but that’s just my own role in such tales. The moderators do a job that I would in no way volunteer for. Fine and dandy. **Manny** has outburst-control issues. Why? Well, he gets angry, you see. But, emotions and our reactions to feeling them are not the same thing–most people don’t seem to grasp that, though. Apologies are well and good, but I think it’s probably preferable to gain a measure of control over one’s outburst tendency in the first place, and go for improvement instead of apologies, classy as they may be. I think he’s an okay guy aside from that, though, and don’t much have a use for his (or anyone’s) head on a platter. This can now sink into limbo while the more important business of screaming at one another carries on. ---
**Author:** ![LoverBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@LoverBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoverBoy)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/176 "2001-07-03T23:06:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > Wrong. I understood what he was saying just fine but I wouldn’t have thought to try it until I read his post. \*\* So you tried it out? To paraphrase **manhattan** , I move you be banned for “hacking” the SDMB! :rolleyes: Oh, you didn’t try it out? How was that different from what I said in the first place? To repeat: No one was moved to “hack” the SDMB by his post. It’s not a crime to tell people guns can kill if you pull the trigger. Why should it be a crime to tell people that the “Search All” function can be used if you look around? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jester \* > What mouthbreather said. Just because people understood the post doesn’t mean that they would have automatically thought the back-door method up on their own. What I said to mouthbreather. Oh, and this isn’t a backdoor. A backdoor is something that sits within a security barrier (password request, firewall, whatever) but allows an outside user to circumvent that security barrier (by allowing a “master” password, by leaving a port open, or whatever). He changed a word in a URL. Please stop applying that term to it. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > It never would have occurred to me to look for a way around it, and I didn’t quite know what he meant. However, because he posted it, I was tempted to play around and figure it out. And I have enough confidence in my abilities that I think I could have figured it out by the end of the day. Perhaps I’m placing too much faith in people, but: a) If someone _really_ wanted to do a search all, it would have occured to them to look for a way around it. It did to Silo, right? b) Anyone who looked for a way around it could have figured it out in far less than a day, **pepperlandgirl** , but in a matter of a few hours at most. However, c) Anyone who didn’t need to do a search has better things to do with their time than go look for another vB board that has a “search all” and copy its’ formatting. - Rob ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/177 "2001-07-03T23:08:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiritus Mundi \* > It appears that he continues to earn it by not acepting responsibility for his own decisions. Which, if you’ve talked to him in the past day, he does. Accept responsibility, that is. He knows he was wrong to post what he did, or at least that’s what I’ve understood to be the case from talking to him yesterday and today. Many of those posting/speaking in his defense recognize as much. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/178 "2001-07-03T23:19:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robgruver \* > \*\* > > **Ed Zotti** : You need to stand up for what is right, and get rid of both **manhatten** and **TubaDiva**. > > \*\* Rob… how long you been here, buddy? Ah… I just checked. 7 months. Well, that could explain it. Rob, lemme just give ya a little tip: don’t waste your energy. It is utterly and completely pointless for you to do so. Whether you are flawlessly correct in your assessment of the situation, or thoroughly deluded (and reaching an objective conclusion would be impossible anyway), it makes absolutely no difference. It has been my observation, in over 2 years here, that the ways of the Mods and Admins are mysterious indeed, and no amount of shouting, complaining, whining, or crying on the part of uninvolved observers will move them when it comes to bannings. Every time an established poster (vs. an obvious troll or sock puppet) gets banned, someone goes into outrage mode, calling for the heads of one mod or another. It has never, ever resulted in that person being un-banned or a mod being fired. Maybe I missed one somewhere, but I have never, ever heard of either happening. (The only un-bans I ever heard of came as a result of contrite groveling by the banned themselves, and the only fired mod I know about was someone whose firing most certainly did not come as a result of posters calling for it.) All this is said from a completely neutral viewpoint, by the way. I make no comment on the rightness or wrongness of this state of affairs, I only offer to you the informaiton that these are the facts, you are not going to be changing them, your energy is better spent on other things. stoid PS: My own take on it is that Silo was a tiny bit flip, and the reaction was well over the top. But somewhat understandable in light of Silo’s history, which cannot be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/179 "2001-07-03T23:21:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robgruver \* > \*\* > There has been no public mention of anything with the moderator’s who were a part of this punishment, but I have it on good authority that it has not made TPTB very happy. \*\* Sorry, guy. Name names or shut up. _The Appeal to Invisible Authority_ is the single lamest tactic around (“I have hundreds of e-mails supporting me!”, “I have, in my possession the names of over 1000 COMMUNISTS!”). Since there are only four people who count as “The Powers That Be” A) **Tuba Diva** , B) **Lynn** , C) **Ed** or D) **Cecil hisownself** (and maybe E) **whoever from the Chicago Reader** ) I wanna know who you’re talking to, or I’ll assume it’s talking out your ass. I hate _The Appeal to Invisible Authority_ tactic. \*\* > [@](#): > > In this case both **Manhatten** and **TubaDiva** have done it, and I believe that they need to be gone. Fired. Kaput. I think **Ed Zotti** needs to get involved here, and stand up for what is right instead of making a managerial decision. Instead of showing solidarity of the Mods/Admins we, the lowly posters need to see that the two people who made the mistake of banning **Silo** are sacked. \*\* They ousted someone who published info on how to slow down the board and then was an ass about it afterwards. Horrors! The following facts are irrelevant to the specific action of Silo’s banning: [li]That **Manny** said a naughty word in the heat of anger[/li] [li]That you, personally, didn’t know how to exploit the info that **Silo** posted[/li] [li]That you, personally, don’t think the info was all that big of a deal.[/li] [li]That you, personally, don’t think the info was all that bad since it wasn’t removed (once it’d been rendered largely harmless by reenabling the search function past 90 days)[/li] The following facts ARE relevant: [li] **Silo** posted info that would slow down the server tremendously at a time when there was a strong temptation to use it (the search feature was disabled beyond 90 days)[/li] [li] **Silo** _may_ have used it to resurrect old troll posts. I can’t be sure, however, as he may have had every troll post he ever made bookmarked. However, the timing is suspicious, given that he _couldn’t_ have run a legit search for them at the time.[/li] [li]When called on it, he made two responses which amount to “It’s no big deal” and “Well, if you don’t like it, clean up my mess”[/li] And when it comes down to it, _every! single! one!_ of these anti-mod posts comes down to "Manny said a naughty word and **Silo** was cool (and/or **Silo** was my friend) and therefore deserves special treatment. Show me an example of someone who posted board-damaging info, didn’t apologize and was allowed to stick around, (just one example is all it’ll take) and I’ll agree that there may be hypocracy. Until you give me a link, though, **Silo** ’s banning was appropriate. Even if **Manny** _did_ say a naughty word. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2001, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010/180 "2001-07-03T23:24:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > Which, if you’ve talked to him in the past day, he does. Accept responsibility, that is. He knows he was wrong to post what he did, or at least that’s what I’ve understood to be the case from talking to him yesterday and today. Many of those posting/speaking in his defense recognize as much. \*\* Really? > [@](#): > > posted July 03, 2001 06:24 PM [on the other board] > > **Silo** Admittedly I didn’t respond in the nicest manner, but I would’ve made an apology wholeheartedly if manhattan hadn’t made a personal attack and things were more clear. > > **Silo** I was trying to help you guys out, I thought the problem I mentioned (which literally took me 5 minutes to figure out) could be fixed. > > **Silo** If you think I was a jerk, well that’s in the realm of subjective because obviously many people don’t see it cut like that. I don’t think I was a jerk. > > **Silo** which is the “official” reason why I was banned in the first place. The logic here doesn’t flow. . . . The fact of the matter is there is a reason, and the logic behind it is bullshit. > > **Silo** you’ve essentially just countered your own previous position - that the _reason_ I was banned had validity. I see not one shred of acceptance of responsibility or admission of wrongdoing. I see evasion, confrontation, and accusation. In short, I see a jerk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-members-of-sdmb-another-one-bites-the-dust-are-you-next/71010.md?page=10)