# To: The NYC mob of "planned civil disobedience" FUCK YOU **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 27, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545 "2003-03-27T15:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![jonpluc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jonpluc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonpluc)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/81 "2003-03-28T19:02:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*March on the weekends? > > Sure. And keep your ass in the free-speech zone that we set up on 215th street. And maybe I’ll try to win the free-speech lottery so that I can exercise my rights on alternate Tuesdays in July. > > Fuck that and fuck you; I’ll march and protest wherever and whenever I want. > > I don’t need a license, I have a permit: > > _The mother-fucking constitution._ > > Don’t like it? That’s the point. You think we’re worried about winning over **Rhum Rhunner** , **Gobear** , and **Tuckerfan**? > > Wise up, chumps. The purpose is to piss you the fuck off and remind you that a far-off war affects you. > > Wow, guess it’s working better than expected, huh? \*\* God, so much stupidity in one paragraph almost dont know where to start. First i see that you let your anger drop your IQ by about 60 points and it seems to have effected your reading comprehension. No one here has in any way shape or form challenged a persons right to free speech. Lawless free speech\ is not free speech in and of itself but an excuse for behaving in an uncivilized manner.There are clear laws that have been established and voted on by our Representatives that establish what constitutes free speech and when and where and what you can do and cant. Learn them and DO them. Civil protest is an old and respected form for getting change and there is nothing wrong with it. However, violence and not treating your fellow man with respect as to his/her opinion is acting like a barbarian and there is no room in this society for such nonsence. As for your stated reason to “piss you the fuck off and remind you that a far off war affects you” is such a festering load of alligater come that it makes me see red. \. First off, the war is the largest media event on the planet right now. I nor anyone else need YOU to remind us of ANYTHING regarding the war. There is no lack of reading materials to better inform yourself of the pending issues of this conflict. What we DONT need is some self rightious assholes running around in the street thinking its his mission to inform all those people that dont believe what he does that they are wrong and to better prove his point break stuff and hurt people. i mean…HUH??? Did you just have a complete logic burnout? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/82 "2003-03-28T19:04:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*And dogs that shoot bees out of their mouths. \*\* And a robotic Richard Simmons. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/83 "2003-03-28T19:46:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*You could learn a lot from his example. \*\* I suspect not. People like **Ace of Swords** are more interested in mob rule than either teaching _or_ learning. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/84 "2003-03-28T20:29:34Z")
I don’t have a TV and haven’t heard of the incident(s) you folks are describing here. Nice to know that (most of) you aren’t hitting all anti-war protesters with the FUCK YOU pellet, just the jerks you’ve described. ::sigh:: I don’t really like any of the “march in street / chant slogans / carry picket signs” stuff, neohippie or not. In addition to making me feel like a kindergartener playing musical chairs or something, the events seem to attract the kind of people who like black-and-white worlds. Four legs good, two legs bad. What do we want? Absolutes! When do we want it? Now! Bleah… Unfortunately I haven’t been invited by my representatives to a town hall meeting to discuss the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/85 "2003-03-28T20:31:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by asterion \* > \*\*And a robotic Richard Simmons. \*\* And sharks, with frickin’ laser beams on their heads. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/86 "2003-03-28T20:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Wise up, chumps. The purpose is to piss you the fuck off and remind you that a far-off war affects you. \*\* No shit, Sherlock. This may come as a surprise to you, but I _already know that!_ I’ve had this war cost me at least _one_ job, and possibly others. I know at least one person IRL who is now over there fighting in the Army, I’ve met Kurds who escaped from Saddam’s Iraq, and in case I somehow take leave of my senses _CNN’s kind enough to broadcast the war 24/7 so that I don’t forget!_ Jeebus! Do you halfwits think that we’re behind this war because we _don’t_ know what’s going on or that it affects us? Keerist! I got news fer ya, we’ve got a very good idea of that, thank you very much. Now go do something productive with your time and let me do something productive with mine. ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/87 "2003-03-28T20:49:05Z")
Ah, yes. Thank God those antiwar protesters are around to enlighten me. I was so complacent yesterday, but now that I’ve seen that news report about the rioting and violence, my horizons are **so** much broader now. Why, shit. I think I’ll go stomp on a few puppies tonight to remind people of world hunger. Thanks, Ace of Swords, your keen insight and moral steadfastness has made me a better person! ---
**Author:** ![Banger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Banger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banger)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/88 "2003-03-28T21:07:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by slortar \* > \*\*Ah, yes. Thank God those antiwar protesters are around to enlighten me. I was so complacent yesterday, but now that I’ve seen that news report about the rioting and violence, my horizons are **so** much broader now. Why, shit. I think I’ll go stomp on a few puppies tonight to remind people of world hunger. Thanks, Ace of Swords, your keen insight and moral steadfastness has made me a better person! \*\* I too am inspired! I’m conducting a lie-down in my office right now! I just wish that everybody in the office hadn’t already left for the day… …zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:o ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/89 "2003-03-28T21:25:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AHunter3 \* > \*\*Unfortunately I haven’t been invited by my representatives to a town hall meeting to discuss the issue. \*\* Why are you being so passive? Freaking organize one! Call up your Representative and figure out a date in the relatively near future. Contact local community groups for help. I mean, if you really want a chance to have a community discussion about it…if you were just making an offhand remark, I take it all back. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/90 "2003-03-28T21:42:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arden Ranger \* > \*\*And [here’s](http://vikingphoenix.com/photos/Iraq_War/1_shoot_officers.jpg) the original image posted on another site. \*\* Yep, that’s the image I was referencing. However, it’s still the first image on my link for my computer. Bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/91 "2003-03-28T21:54:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daoloth \* > \*\*Yep, that’s the image I was referencing. However, it’s still the first image on my link for my computer. Bizarre. \*\* Fuck that’s a stupid sign. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/92 "2003-03-28T22:04:38Z")
**World Eater, gobear** , think you guys misunderstood what the irony I saw was. IThe irony I saw was the fact that the violent/obstructionist protesters are protesting the war in a manner in which it is patently obvious they do not give a fuck about anyone but THEIR opinion and view, they _must_ be right (accroding to them), and hence, don’t give a shit who they inconvenience/injure/run roughshod over to get their own way. Much like the manner in which the US government decided and declared this war in. Irony. Mmm, mmm good. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/93 "2003-03-28T22:15:40Z")
Fuck people who are trying to get to their jobs. Fuck liberating the people of Iraq. Fuck deposing Saddam. Fuck giving aid to the Iraqis. :rolleyes: The real fuck here goes to those who adhere to those beliefs, purposely or inadvertently. ---
**Author:** ![jonpluc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jonpluc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonpluc)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/94 "2003-03-28T22:16:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cerri \* > \*\ ***World Eater, gobear** , think you guys misunderstood what the irony I saw was. IThe irony I saw was the fact that the violent/obstructionist protesters are protesting the war in a manner in which it is patently obvious they do not give a fuck about anyone but THEIR opinion and view, they _must_ be right (accroding to them), and hence, don’t give a shit who they inconvenience/injure/run roughshod over to get their own way. > > Much like the manner in which the US government decided and declared this war in. > > Irony. Mmm, mmm good. \*\* ``` So Cerri, why have you arbitrarily decided that the government has somehow decided that they dont give a fuck about anyone and are shooting at the hip terrorizing innocent countries or something with no basis for thier action? I prefer to believe that they have informnation that neither you nor i have and are making an educated desicion to best help protect ourselves from future harm. Why does it "HAVE" to be an ill considered desicion, and why do you assume that the government doesnt give a shit who they injure? Maybe they simply made a risk analysis of all the facts that we clearly arnt privy to and made a reasonable judgement call to do a certian action? Why does the government have to be somehow inherently evil..when its entirely possible that they are doing what is in all of our best interests using information that we as citizens dont have? ``` ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/95 "2003-03-28T22:21:39Z")
**jonpluc** this is the SDMB where everyone knows everything about anything. Anyone who speculates that the government might actually do something right once in a while is clearly ignorant, and only believing the tripe they are served by corporate media, which is just a tool of the military industrial complex. Where have you been? ---
**Author:** ![jonpluc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jonpluc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonpluc)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/96 "2003-03-28T22:28:31Z")
As a follow-up…if Iraq turns out NOT to have WMDs President Bush will have destroyed his credibility and his re-election chances.In terms of pure self interest above and beyond just having the will to “do the right thing” is enough incentive for me to believe that Iraq does indeed have WMD and are willing to use them. I dont think that George has ANY interest in going down in USA history as an agressor that attacked a Country for reasons that turned out not to be valid. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/97 "2003-03-28T22:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cerri \* > \*\ ***World Eater, gobear** , think you guys misunderstood what the irony I saw was. IThe irony I saw was the fact that the violent/obstructionist protesters are protesting the war in a manner in which it is patently obvious they do not give a fuck about anyone but THEIR opinion and view, they _must_ be right (accroding to them), and hence, don’t give a shit who they inconvenience/injure/run roughshod over to get their own way. > > Much like the manner in which the US government decided and declared this war in. > > Irony. Mmm, mmm good. \*\* Gotcha, your post makes more sense to me now. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/98 "2003-03-28T22:45:01Z")
Right, **jon** , which is why the US will immediately launch a program of _planting_ WMD if our troops don’t find any. Please do try to keep up. [sub]Notice to the Sarcasm Impaired: This post was made using the new Sarcasm XP Generator™[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/99 "2003-03-29T03:44:52Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by jonpluc \* \*\*No one here has in any way shape or form challenged a persons right to free speech.\*\*Why do you think, exactly, that we’ve escalated to civil disobedience? Perhaps it was because nothing else was working? That we’ve been tired of being marginalized and herded and dismissed? > [@](#): > > Lawless free speech\ is not free speech in and of itself but an excuse for behaving in an uncivilized manner. “Lawless Free speech?” Civil disobedience is certaily lawless, as were the protests of Ghandi, MLK, and Vietnam. How are they suddenly equated with acid-throwing punks? > [@](#): > > However, violence and not treating your fellow man with respect as to his/her opinion is acting like a barbarian and there is no room in this society for such nonsence. Violence and “lawless” civil disobedience are not the same thing, no matter how often you conflate them. I’m defending the latter, not the former. > [@](#): > > First off, the war is the largest media event on the planet right now. I nor anyone else need YOU to remind us of ANYTHING regarding the war. There is no lack of reading materials to better inform yourself of the pending issues of this conflict. What you have is repetitive and useless information – what many of you lack is a sense of impact and priorities if a traffic delay makes you see red but “Operation Iraqi Freedom” doesn’t. I’m all for peaceful protests, as are the _vast majority of protestors and police_, though, yes, there are bad apples on [both sides](http://nyc.indymedia.org/archive/features/2003/02/2003-02.html). Which is mostly irrelevant, except for those demagogues who want to hold up a bad apple to the light and condemn the whole barrel. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545/100 "2003-03-29T04:13:23Z")
If you’re interested in counting up the bad apples on the other side, you’d have to turn to the web: Start at the NYCLU’s page where they have received [250 violence incident reports from NY Feb. 15th march _alone_](http://www.nyclu.org/right_to_march_022603.html). Also [here](http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/39688.php) or here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-nyc-mob-of-planned-civil-disobedience-fuck-you/164545.md?page=6)