# To the piece of shit that passes for the Sheriff of Roseburg, OR **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616 "2015-10-05T15:42:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/21 "2015-10-05T20:16:24Z")
Totally worked in the case of Thomas K. Applewhite. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/22 "2015-10-05T20:28:39Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I understand his intent, but there is no evidence that not naming the person does anything to help avoid publicity. So if you understand the intent, do you still think it’s grandstanding? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/23 "2015-10-05T20:36:23Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Congrats, asshole, the pigeons have come home to roost. How do you feel about Sandy Hook being a hoax now, you fucking piece of dog shit? Yeah, you’re a real stalwart for the 2nd Amendment, and a real hero for telling VP Biden that you would refuse to obey any gun laws that the administration might pass. I’m sure that this tragedy will not change your opinions one iota, and that you will continue to be a prick of major proportions. I’m sure that you will default to the Jeb Bush opinion that “stuff happens”, and the NRA belief that there can never be enough guns out there. Fucking asshole. Are any of your statements correct or factual? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/24 "2015-10-05T20:36:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > So if you understand the intent, do you still think it’s grandstanding? Of course. He knew very well that it was a pointless exercise. He could have made a valid point by calling on the media for discretion on what they said about the shooter, and to limit the publicity and attention given to him. But going all the way to “I won’t say his name” is extreme and obvious grandstanding. Watch his news conference. He puts in dramatic pauses and calls attention to the fact that he’s not saying his name. If his intent really was to limit publicity for the shooter, why make such a big deal about how he’s not saying it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/25 "2015-10-05T20:39:50Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Are any of your statements correct or factual? Are you a good one to ask that? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/26 "2015-10-05T20:45:29Z")
I’m interested in what **doorhinge** things is incorrect or factually wrong. Some of the OP was facts, most of it was opinion. Are you complaining the facts are wrong (and if so, which ones) or are you cheesed because an opinion was expressed in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/27 "2015-10-05T20:48:09Z")
There do seem to be a lot of serial corrections or updates to the OP’s claims. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/28 "2015-10-05T20:56:02Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > There do seem to be a lot of serial corrections or updates to the OP’s claims. Just sayin’. No, you’re sayin’ nothing. Actually say what you’re tryin’ to say so people can agree or argue with it. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/29 "2015-10-05T21:59:42Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > No, you’re sayin’ nothing. Actually say what you’re tryin’ to say so people can agree or argue with it. **Chefguy** ’s in the tiny top rank of my Doper list, but I think (all rage aside) he could have composed his rant a little more carefully, so that fewer posts would be wasted bolstering his claims. If that’s sayin’ nothin’, I got nothin’ else to be sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/30 "2015-10-05T22:18:20Z")
Eh, it had four insults, 3-5 profanities (depending on your definition), sarcasm, and I could picture the force of the keystrokes. Pretty decent Pit in my view. I’m honestly wondering what **doorhinge** found objectionable from a factual basis. I saw a couple possibilities but didn’t want to guess what got him (or you) going. If you can’t exaggerate a little and throw opinions into a Pit rant, where can you? For example, GQ version: no, the sheriff didn’t say exactly “I refuse to obey any gun laws that the administration might pass.” Pit version: can you imagine any possible gun law the administration might pass that the sheriff would not declare unconstitutional in his view? Argue that you think the sheriff is correct in his stance, but it’s disingenuous to argue that he’d be fine with _some_ gun laws the administration might pass. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/31 "2015-10-05T22:23:00Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > **Chefguy** ’s in the tiny top rank of my Doper list, but I think (all rage aside) he could have composed his rant a little more carefully, so that fewer posts would be wasted bolstering his claims. If that’s sayin’ nothin’, I got nothin’ else to be sayin’. You be talkin’. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/32 "2015-10-06T00:56:30Z")
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/33 "2015-10-06T02:33:51Z")
Strictly speaking, as he is not an agent of the federal government, he’s not under any obligation to enforce federal laws, right? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/34 "2015-10-06T03:41:48Z")
Strictly speaking, that is correct. All the places with legal weed are doing exactly the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/35 "2015-10-06T05:16:39Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong, but strictly speaking all Americans are under obligations to live by the federal and local laws of the land, no? Ask Kim Davis. I’m an American and not a Washitonan, Californian, Arazonin, Idahoan or S Dakotan despite having resided in all of those States… ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/36 "2015-10-06T11:24:46Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but strictly speaking all Americans are under obligations to live by the federal and local laws of the land, no? Ask Kim Davis. Being obligated to live by federal law isn’t the same as being obligated to enforce it. As E-Dub pointed out, lot’s of local law enforcement in places like Washington and Colorado are ignoring any federal law in regards to marijuana and not arresting people who produce and/or distribute the stuff. Back in the day, New York became one of the first states to throw up their hands and yell “Fuck it! You want to enforce it _you_ enforce it!” in regards to Prohibition. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/37 "2015-10-06T12:38:38Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Being obligated to live by federal law isn’t the same as being obligated to enforce it. As E-Dub pointed out, lot’s of local law enforcement in places like Washington and Colorado are ignoring any federal law in regards to marijuana and not arresting people who produce and/or distribute the stuff. Back in the day, New York became one of the first states to throw up their hands and yell “Fuck it! You want to enforce it _you_ enforce it!” in regards to Prohibition. But they are doing so under tacit approval by the executive branch. If the federal government wanted, they could mandate enforcement. Instead, they’ve specifically said the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/38 "2015-10-06T13:05:49Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Strictly speaking, as he is not an agent of the federal government, he’s not under any obligation to enforce federal laws, right? And yet to hear certain people tell it, local jurisdictions that have decided not to enforce federal immigration laws are treasonous anti-American scourges whose leaders should be sent to Guantanamo… ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/39 "2015-10-06T13:10:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But they are doing so under tacit approval by the executive branch. If the federal government wanted, they could mandate enforcement. Instead, they’ve specifically said the opposite. No, the Feds can’t force state/county/city officials to enforce federal law. That is what the FBI, DEA, Secret Service, etc are for. Now, normally the various law enforcement groups work together, but there is no obligation to. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616/40 "2015-10-06T16:55:27Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Eh, it had four insults, 3-5 profanities (depending on your definition), sarcasm, and I could picture the force of the keystrokes. Pretty decent Pit in my view. I’m honestly wondering what **doorhinge** found objectionable from a factual basis. I saw a couple possibilities but didn’t want to guess what got him (or you) going. (post shortened) Can you really picture the force of the strokes? That’s amazing. Meanwhile, I’m honestly wondering, in your opinion, what **doorhinge** found objectionable, also. I asked a question because there had been several posts that seem to question or contradict the OP. In other words, I was seeking clarification of the OP. I have no idea what you think you read. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-piece-of-shit-that-passes-for-the-sheriff-of-roseburg-or/733616.md?page=3)