# To the Two Loons
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [April 9, 2006, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934 "2006-04-09T07:50:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/21 "2006-04-09T19:13:27Z")
God DAMN it LHoD! That was supposed to be a fricking secret! Your ID to the ‘folks who are in on it’ club is here by revoked! And someone will be along to get your Men In Black DvD sometime later today…
-XT
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/22 "2006-04-09T19:15:59Z")
> [@xtisme](#):
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> God DAMN it LHoD! That was supposed to be a fricking secret! Your ID to the ‘folks who are in on it’ club is here by revoked! And someone will be along to get your Men In Black DvD sometime later today…
Dude, I am so far ahead of you on this one. Think back, think hard now: is it really the Twin Towers that were the part of this story that never existed?
See my subtlety? Even you, who really know the nonexistent part of the story that’s covered up, got tricked.
Layer on layer on layer, that’s how we work. Layer on layer on layer.
Daniel
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/23 "2006-04-09T19:22:29Z")
You have a truely dizzying intellect…
😛
-XT
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/24 "2006-04-09T19:27:41Z")
Wait till he gets going! Where was he?
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/25 "2006-04-09T19:49:00Z")
Zoom! Behind you! Kapow!
Daniel
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### Author:  [@Baraqiyal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baraqiyal)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/26 "2006-04-09T21:07:03Z")
It kind of reminds me of these cryptozoologist guys who had a hundred and one reasons why the alien autopsy HAD to be real. How it was impossible to put fluid under the latex skin so when you cut it, it would bleed, etc. etc. Same with the guys who would mock and ridicule anyone who would dare to question the validity of the Bigfoot film. It was impossible for just a guy in a suit to swing his arms the way “Bigfoot” did. It was too big to be human, etc., etc.
Of course it turns out that “Bigfoot” was just a guy in a monkey suit, and the alien autopsy was part of a movie promotion.
The fact that none of these conspiracy guys can not and will not debate their claims without resorting to extreme condescension tells me a lot.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/27 "2006-04-09T21:31:01Z")
I just want to chime in to applaud the overlords on their imagination and effectiveness.
If you asked a typical corrupt business executive how to build a pipeline in a third-world country, he might suggest bribing a few officials, maybe build a hospital to show everyone they’re really a good guy.
If that doesn’t work, you’d bribe the prime minister to announce a massive “public works project”, get your buddies at the World Bank to write off a few loans and ship a couple of freighters full of grain to the country in question.
In extreme cases you might even find a few ambitious army officers, have them pull a coup and install a dictatorship more to your liking.
But thanks to good old American ingenuity, our corrupt business people would enlist the highest levels of our own government to hijack a fleet of airplanes, blow up buildings in our own country, kill a few thousand people, bankrupt the airlines that owned the planes, throw the U.S. economy into turmoil for 6 months to a year, conduct a phony investigation to pin the blame on an avowed America-hater who just happened to be hiding out in the thrid-world country they want to exploit, start a phony war to overthrow the third world country’s government and then, in the ultimate misdirection _not build the pipeline!_
Goddamit, how can we convince these people to work on turning around General Motors?
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### Author:  [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/28 "2006-04-09T21:40:31Z")
> [@bigpappadiaz](#):
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> Since when the hell does concrete grow rust?
'Cause, you know, concrete isn’t porous or anything…
Seriously, before you go back to huffing chemtrails (or whatever it is you conspiracy nuts do to get these ideas), go find any building that has a spot where weathered metal (most often pipes, or older structural elements) and concrete meet on the exterior. You’ll find rust stains on the concrete, much like what you see in that picture.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/29 "2006-04-09T21:49:40Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#):
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> go find any building that has a spot where weathered metal (most often pipes, or older structural elements) and concrete meet on the exterior. You’ll find rust stains on the concrete, much like what you see in that picture.
Hey! Hey! Hey! Cut that shit out! This is the **PIT!**
**JP** , you’re getting much too close to an intelligent and reasoned explanation of the issues. If I want to see that, I’ll look in Great Debates.
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### Author:  [@Tikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tikki)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/30 "2006-04-09T21:52:45Z")
Let me preface this by saying I’m not going to read the entire other thread because I neither have the time nor inclination. Likewise, the link to the video because I’m on dial-up and my system is old and it would take all day to download it. That said, I would still like to ask a few questions about **bigpappadiaz’s** quotes that **Monty** provided:
> [@bigpappadiaz](#):
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> I’ll say it for him again. Planes were flown into buildings 1 and 2 so that people like you would think it was the planes that took them down. Really, it was the hidden explosives that did it. That’s why they flew the planes into the buildings that were set to be destroyed with explosives. See?
> [@bigpappadiaz](#):
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> I mean, flight 93 completely vaporized into a small 15-20 foot hole which would be the first time in aviation history. A round hole was all that was left, and all the debris scattered around could be picked up by hand. The eyewitnesses were and their stories about another white, unmarked plane were dismissed. The plane that hit the Pentagon disappeared into that really small hole on the outside, and the damage inside was pretty bad. The people who say they saw a smaller jet, or a helicopter were also dismissed. I know some people smelled cordite, too, but they were also dismissed.
**Bigpappadiaz** insists that explosives were planted in the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. He also insists that something was hinky in the field outside of Shanksville too. The crater was too small. There wasn’t enough debris. It sort of sounds like he believes explosives were planted there too. Did the bad guys (whoever they are) also intend for Flight #93 crash there as a cover-up just like they wanted the other explosions covered up? Why or why not? Does that mean, despite the best efforts of the passengers of that plane to overcome what they thought were terrorists, the bad guys actually succeeded in their goal?
Concerning the molten metal vs. concrete/rebar thing, I’m not a scientist but from what I remember from Science 101, I’d wager that some of the sand and other silicon dioxide-based minerals in the concrete melted into microscopic or larger bits of glass during the explosion. At the right angle, with bright camera lights aimed at it, I can imagine that there might be a bit of a shine coming off the concrete that could be construed to be molten metal by some people who haven’t gotten to examine the evidence up close and personal. That’s my two cents anyway.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/31 "2006-04-09T21:52:54Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#):
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> 'Cause, you know, concrete isn’t porous or anything…
>
> Seriously, before you go back to huffing chemtrails (or whatever it is you conspiracy nuts do to get these ideas), go find any building that has a spot where weathered metal (most often pipes, or older structural elements) and concrete meet on the exterior. You’ll find rust stains on the concrete, much like what you see in that picture.
You fool, don’t you know that those rust stains have been planted there by The Conspiracy to throw people off the track?
That’s what I love about conspiracy loons. They’re all convinced that they’re so much smarter and better informed than anybody else, but the more you talk to them, the more you realize that they really don’t know a goddamned thing about _anything_. “How can concrete grow rust?” It’s fucking _concrete_. Arguably the single most common building material in the country, and this guy’s never pulled his head out of his ass long enough to notice how easily it gets discolored through normal wear-and-tear, to say nothing of what happens after you bury it under a pile of flaming debris and then soak it in thousands of gallons of water. If they’d just try spending some time looking at the real world, and not grainy jpegs of it they’ve downloaded from [paranoidschziophrenics.org](http://paranoidschziophrenics.org), they might start to pick up on these sorts of “subtlties.”
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### Author:  [@Tikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tikki)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/32 "2006-04-09T22:02:33Z")
Oh. ditto the rust stains. And I wish I’d read Jeep’s Phoenix’s and Kunilou’s posts before I’d posted mine.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/33 "2006-04-09T22:16:39Z")
Actually, we should admit to **bigpapadiaz** that we’ve been funning him and that we all do know that [concrete](http://www.pixelmap.com/ts_amer_12.html) [never shows](http://www.theage.com.au/ftimages/2003/10/14/1065917394837.html) [rust](http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12568149/).
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### Author:  [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/34 "2006-04-09T22:23:21Z")
> [@tomndebb](#):
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> Actually, we should admit to **bigpapadiaz** that we’ve been funning him and that we all do know that [concrete](http://www.pixelmap.com/ts_amer_12.html) [never shows](http://www.theage.com.au/ftimages/2003/10/14/1065917394837.html) [rust](http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12568149/).
You government trickster. I can clearly tell that those were photoshoped. Concrete doesn’t rust.
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/35 "2006-04-09T22:28:52Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#):
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> Seriously, before you go back to huffing chemtrails (or whatever it is you conspiracy nuts do to get these ideas)
Ah…so THATS why I’m not seeing the CT! :smack: BRB…going to go huff some chemtrails and see if it makes a difference…
-XT
p.s. I don’t know if the huffing chemtrails thing has been used before on the SD…if not its an instance classic IMHO. 😛
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### Author:  [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/36 "2006-04-09T23:11:20Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#):
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> Seriously, before you go back to huffing chemtrails (or whatever it is you conspiracy nuts do to get these ideas)…
Hey! Don’t make me shut this thread down 'cause you’re discussing illegal drugs.
🙂
I _keeed_.
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### Author:  [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/37 "2006-04-09T23:29:11Z")
> [@samclem](#):
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> Hey! Don’t make me shut this thread down 'cause you’re discussing illegal drugs.
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> 🙂
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> I _keeed_.
Are chemtrails illegals drugs now?
Nice try, better luck next time.
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### Author:  [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/38 "2006-04-09T23:58:10Z")
> [@samclem](#):
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> Hey! Don’t make me shut this thread down 'cause you’re discussing illegal drugs.
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> 🙂
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> I _keeed_.
But are the drugs really illegal if the government put them there?
😃
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/39 "2006-04-09T23:59:03Z")
I knew what contrails were, but thought chemtrails sounded made-up. So I googled it.
Oh, for heaven’s sake.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-two-loons/351934/40 "2006-04-10T00:03:22Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> I knew what contrails were, but thought chemtrails sounded made-up. So I googled it.
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> Oh, for heaven’s sake.
Its like opening a big box of stupid, isn’t it?
🙂
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