# To the young woman sitting behind me who said feminists were "man-hating Nazis": **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2006, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647 "2006-02-02T07:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/61 "2006-02-02T17:32:38Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Does that statistic take into account killers hired by the person they’re intimate with? I don’t reckon it does. It also doesn’t take into account of men or women killed by their gay lovers - and since [men commit 88% of the murders](http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/gender.htm), you can draw your own conclusion about that. That was the closest stat I could find, and it obviously includes and omits some relevant cases going both ways. (It’s not like men have never hired anyone to off their wives.) > [@](#): > > I find it interesting also that when presented with an actual example of a man who died at the hands of domestic violence committed by his wife, your entire response is that you ‘don’t care’ about him. Yeah, I’m heartless like that. I didn’t care on a couple of different levels: mainly, I didn’t care about it with respect to this debate, because one data point doesn’t mean shit. But after that, I’m just not concerned with the travails of celebs in general; I figure the world’s already full of people who hurt every time a celebrity bleeds; it doesn’t need one more. > [@](#): > > Sorry, I’m not interested in your ‘logical’ diminishment of violence that women commit against men. IOW, you have no data, and no counterargument. Thanks for playing. > [@](#): > > They’re analogous procedures. Both of them involve the removal of part of the external genitalia, and both are done to varying degrees of ‘part’. Circumcised men, by all accounts I’ve ever heard of, have no problems reaching orgasm on account of circumcision. Needless to say, that’s not the case for circumcised women. Nice and all that they’re analogous to the extent that you’ve mentioned, but that’s as far as it goes. They’re not analogous _in their effects on the circumcisee._ ---
**Author:** ![lightingtool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@lightingtool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightingtool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/62 "2006-02-02T17:35:46Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > [Here’s](http://www.actorsequity.org/Library/rulebooks/LORT_Rulebook_02-05.pdf) a link (PDF WARNING) to the Actor’s Equity Association handbook which includes pay scales for all Equity actors. Sorry for the (almost) double post, but I wanted to clarify this. The pay scale and rules in this document apply only to Equity actors working in a LORT (League of Resident Theatres) theatre. There are other agreements between Equity and individual theatres, but they are quite similar to this. I am unaware of any that specify different rates based on the sex of the actor. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/63 "2006-02-02T17:41:53Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > What exactly are the reasons for women to makem, what is it–$.73 for every $1 that men make–for the same work? Is that not discriminatory? > Be careful throwing that figure around. It’s largely misleading. > > [Cecil speaks](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020823.html) Rdr’s Dgst version: Yes, women make about 76% of what men make, but not for the same work. By law, since 1963, employers must pay the same salary for the same work. The discrepancy in payscale can mostly be accounted for the facts that a) Women as a whole tend to work fewer hours, and b) Women as a whole tend to work in lower-paying professions. Does this mean there is no discrimination? Not at all. But to suggest that there is some sort of sexist conspiracy afoot to pay women less is just plain false. Or mostly false. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/64 "2006-02-02T17:44:59Z")
> [@Seren](#): > > I think that the disagreement here is coming from a lack of definition. > > There are types of feminism: > > There’s the “I just want a chance to do what the guys are doing. If I can do it just as well as they can, then I’d like to be able to” type of feminism. > > And then there’s the “I should be allowed to do whatever I like, no matter if I can do it better than a guy or not. Guys have been in charge too long and now it’s time for girls to rule over them. I need special privileges because I’ve been horribly mistreated (someone tried to hold a door open for me!!) and guys need to be taken down a notch, thinking they’re so damned good. Screw them, I wanna be special. Oh, and I don’t wanna have to sign up for the draft. I want better rights than men, but to hell with that equal responsibility crap” type. > > First type, good. Second type, man-hating nazis. **We have a winner!** I’ve known plenty of each, and I personally have boundless respect for the former, and boundless disdain for the latter. It’s really not as difficult as it seems. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/65 "2006-02-02T17:50:31Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’m trying to imagine what problem I’d have with the cops. Well… I don’t have a cite, but I think it’s pretty well known that if there is a domestic dispute, it’s the man who’s going to get cuffed, regardless of who started it. And in the case of a custody battle, most times the mother will win, regardless of who is the more fit parent. Not all the time, of course, but enough that you can hedge your bets with reasonable accuracy. Gender discrimination goes both ways. Women have clearly gotten the short end of the stick, but it does happen the other way. One can only hope that the end result of the feminist movement is equality all around. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/66 "2006-02-02T17:56:00Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > Sorry for the (almost) double post, but I wanted to clarify this. The pay scale and rules in this document apply only to Equity actors working in a LORT (League of Resident Theatres) theatre. Nice cite, but I should point out that life in the theatre is hardly a microcosm of life on the outside. Theatre life is, to say the least, a whole nother animal. Don’t believe me? Just ask a typical male office worker to define “pancake”, I’m betting he won’t tell you it’s something he puts on his face every night. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/67 "2006-02-02T17:59:22Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Is this a whoosh of some sort? > > I mean, I presented three alternatives: running away by foot, running away by car (MP&HG: _Run away!! Run away!!_ :D), and defending myself with a tree branch against a woman with a machete. > > I’m trying to imagine what problem I’d have with the cops. Really? Because in my experience that a woman can push as hard as she likes (both physically and emotionally) but when the man pushes back, he’s somehow the criminal. Cops get manipulated by women quite often, and when the cops don’t buy it, the woman cries foul, and allegations of “boys club” are tossed about. Many a bloke has been hauled off to the slam on my watch because his woman accused him of something they later both admit either never happened, or was entirely the fault of the woman. True abusers are more rare than the domestic violence crowd would lead you to believe. Not to say they don’t exist, because they do, but two adults having an arguement, does not always a valid domestic abuse allegation, make. The ice is a LOT thinner for men in this arena, believe me. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/68 "2006-02-02T17:59:31Z")
> [@](#): > > **eleanorigby** said: > I am feminist (and no, I am not going to qualify that term to bend to catsix’s obsession about “man-haters”–you really need to talk to someone about the vitriol you hold for those who don’t share your opinions) because I am a humanist. No really I don’t ‘need to talk to someone’. Therapy is not required simply because I think that feminism is sexism against men. > [@](#): > > There is still an imbalance in power (glass ceiling and all that)–and to make progress it is neccessary to know history. I don’t think we can take any progress for granted. Merely repeating the phrase glass ceiling does not mean that one actually exists. In what specific circumstances are women unable to attain positions high on the corporate ladder purely because they are women? Do you have any proof whatsoever that this ‘glass ceiling’ actually exists? > [@](#): > > What exactly are the reasons for women to makem, what is it–$.73 for every $1 that men make–for the same work? Is that not discriminatory? This is one of those claims that is often thrown out by feminists, but is never actually proven. Can you prove that for the _exact same work, same experience, and same number of hours worked_, women are actually being paid less than men? I doubt you can, since it’s not true. > [@](#): > > **irishgirl** said: > catsix, you’ve been called a self-hating woman and a misogynist on these boards. Is that really what you want to be seen as? If that’s what you (or anyone else) are going to call me because I do not believe in your feminist ideals and refuse to toe your party line, then so be it. I will not pretend to be like you in order to gain your approval, and I think it’s ridiculous that you would even suggest I should. > [@](#): > > **RTFirefly** said: > I don’t reckon it does. It also doesn’t take into account of men or women killed by their gay lovers - and since men commit 88% of the murders, you can draw your own conclusion about that. Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt. > [@](#): > > I didn’t care on a couple of different levels: mainly, I didn’t care about it with respect to this debate, because one data point doesn’t mean shit. But after that, I’m just not concerned with the travails of celebs in general; I figure the world’s already full of people who hurt every time a celebrity bleeds; it doesn’t need one more. Ironically one of the few reasons we ever heard about this case of domestic violence involving a woman killing a man was because the victim was a celebrity. How many others are there who will never be known in the media because they are not celebrities? > [@](#): > > Nice and all that they’re analogous to the extent that you’ve mentioned, but that’s as far as it goes. They’re not analogous in their effects on the circumcisee. I don’t think that’s any reason to crusade against one and not the other. > [@](#): > > **buttonjockey308** said: > I’ve known plenty of each, and I personally have boundless respect for the former, and boundless disdain for the latter. And I’ve found that if I dig deep enough, the ‘former’ category starts spouting off myths (e.g. Super Bowl myth, 73 cents on the dollar myth) left and right soon enough. I have yet to meet someone who called themselves a feminist and didn’t buy into the mythical belief system. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/69 "2006-02-02T18:01:23Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > And in the case of a custody battle, most times the mother will win, regardless of who is the more fit parent. Actually, when it goes to court, the father usually wins. That doesn’t count the fathers who back out custody fights because they’re not likely to win, though. IOW, it’s a self-selecting group of fathers with the best chance of winning. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/70 "2006-02-02T18:03:58Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Don’t you think that the appearance of young women who are irritate by what they perceive to be “feminism” is a sign that feminism has, by and large, achieved its goals? Yes, I do. > [@](#): > > The stories people are telling about the US in 1970 sound, to my 25-year-old ears, almost incredible. I can’t believe things were \ever\ that way, because in my life I have never felt that my gender was in any way a disadvantage–and in the very few instances in which someone tried to make me feel that way, the someone was obviously crass, ignorant, and I was better off being away from him. I am delighted that women are growing up nowadays with this sort of attitude. It does indeed mean that in the battle over feminist goals, the right side won. For the most part. > [@](#): > > Having reached a point where there is a whole generation of young women who simply don’t understand what the kerfuffle is about, it seems to me–as one of them–that it might be better to stop making such a fuss about women being a minority group. A few thoughts here: 1. As I see it, “feminists” get a hell of a lot more attention from the Limbaughs and O’Reillys and Pat Robertsons of the world than from the left. Of course, those folks are trying to demonize feminism, and they’ve been fairly successful. Hence the routine distancing expression, “I’m no feminist, but…” preceding the statement of a feminist position. 2. There are some battles still to fight, on account of that crowd and their fellow travelers. Abortion rights really are in some danger in the near-term future: they will probably survive the current Supreme Court composition, but if octagenarian Justice John Paul Stevens should die or call it quits in the next 2+ years, then all bets are off. And a whole bunch of states have passed, or are passing, laws that protect pharmacists’ right to not provide oral contraceptives to women. One can argue the morality of abortion, and that morality does have legal implications. But it’s hard to see what’s happening with contraceptives as anything other than an assault on women’s rights. So let’s not say we’re beyond the need for women to stick up for their particular rights until things are a bit more settled than they are today. 1. This is a total nitpick, but women aren’t a minority group; they’re the majority. Women have been a _disadvantaged_ group, might be a better word. But that’s just a nitpick. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/71 "2006-02-02T18:08:13Z")
Guys, don’t even bother trying to debate with **catsix** on this-she’s completely irrational. It’s like the word “feminist” somehow flips a switch in her brain. Last time I checked, Gloria Steinem is not anti-male. And you ARE aware that Valerie Solanas was mentally ill, right? She didn’t write what she wrote because of feminism, she wrote it because she was batshit insane. Male circumcision-while routine circumcision of male babies in the US is incredibly stupid, there are often medical reasons to have it done. There are no medical benefits to female circumcision. And the way it is practiced-holding down a kicking, scream pre-teen, cutting off most of her external genitalia with a dull, rusty blade and then stitching up the wound with thorns, can hardly be compared. Look, I know how you are on this topic, and it really pisses me off that you can sit there and just tar an entire movement, which is very diverse, with such a wide-brush, simply because of some yahoos on a now defunct message board. If we just finally admit that we hate all men and want to cut off their penises, will you finally stop derailing every discussion on the issue? **Amazon Floozy Goddess** , I think **Tracy** ’s screenname is from Katherine Hepburn’s character in _The Philadelphia Story_, rather than the underage porn star. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/72 "2006-02-02T18:10:13Z")
[quote=catsix] Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt.[/catsix] Cite? > [@catsix](#): > > And I’ve found that if I dig deep enough, the ‘former’ category starts spouting off myths (e.g. Super Bowl myth, 73 cents on the dollar myth) left and right soon enough. I have yet to meet someone who called themselves a feminist and didn’t buy into the mythical belief system. And bullshit. **catsix** , your claim that feminism wants the credit for everything you’ve ever achieved is frankly, the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s crap. Whatever you’ve done, you’ve done yourself. After all, the US is full of women who haven’t accomplished what you have, and they ostensibly benefit from feminsim as well, right? However, perhaps you’d like to explain to me how you’d have done it if you hadn’t been allowed to go to college? Or to live alone? Or to handle your own money? Hey, I’m willing to believe that you’re such an exceptional person you could have gotten exactly where you are without these benefits. Tell me how. ---
**Author:** ![lightingtool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@lightingtool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightingtool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/73 "2006-02-02T18:12:38Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Nice cite, but I should point out that life in the theatre is hardly a microcosm of life on the outside. Theatre life is, to say the least, a whole nother animal. Don’t believe me? Just ask a typical male office worker to define “pancake”, I’m betting he won’t tell you it’s something he puts on his face every night. 😉 Believe me, I would never say theatre life is normal by any stretch. I was merely responding to the OP’s assertion that her female actor friend would be payed less than the males in the show. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/74 "2006-02-02T18:14:02Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt. Cite? > [@catsix](#): > > And I’ve found that if I dig deep enough, the ‘former’ category starts spouting off myths (e.g. Super Bowl myth, 73 cents on the dollar myth) left and right soon enough. I have yet to meet someone who called themselves a feminist and didn’t buy into the mythical belief system. And bullshit. **catsix** , your claim that feminism wants the credit for everything you’ve ever achieved is frankly, the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. It’s crap. Whatever you’ve done, you’ve done yourself. After all, the US is full of women who haven’t accomplished what you have, and they ostensibly benefit from feminsim as well, right? However, perhaps you’d like to explain to me how you’d have done it if you hadn’t been allowed to go to college? Or to live alone? Or to handle your own money? Hey, I’m willing to believe that you’re such an exceptional person you could have gotten exactly where you are without these benefits. Tell me how. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/75 "2006-02-02T18:14:44Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Since women are more likely to hire a killer (and consequently more likely to get caught before the murder takes place by hiring an undercover cop), I have to take that statistic with a huge grain of salt. You got a cite for that “women are more likely to hire a killer” assertion? I’ve got stats, imperfect though they may be. Let’s see yours. > [@](#): > > Ironically one of the few reasons we ever heard about this case of domestic violence involving a woman killing a man was because the victim was a celebrity. How many others are there who will never be known in the media because they are not celebrities? There are “men’s rights” groups out there. Maybe if it’s a big issue, they can lobby for money for the government to produce more precise statistics and tell us. Not likely this year, though. Federal statistical surveys are seeing big cuts right now. > [@](#): > > I don’t think that’s any reason to crusade against one and not the other. IYHO. Mine is, I don’t feel at all victimized by my circumcision, and I don’t know anyone who does. But if something akin to what is done to female circumcisees was done to me, I damn sure would. Since I don’t have time and energy to go on unlimited crusades, I’m going to pick and choose. Male circumcision is about 1,642nd on my list, somewhere below the difficulty pregnant women seem to have of getting a seat on the Metro. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/76 "2006-02-02T18:15:06Z")
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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/77 "2006-02-02T18:20:27Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > There are “men’s rights” groups out there. Maybe if it’s a big issue, they can lobby for money for the government to produce more precise statistics and tell us. Or, alternatively, a mens-rights blog could collect newspaper stories of women killing their male SOs (or having them killed by hired guns) instances from all over the country to get a rough count. Pretty much every homicide makes the paper somewhere; a group blog with a few hundred participants/commenters would cover all the big media markets, and most of the middlin’ ones. Go for it. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/78 "2006-02-02T18:20:34Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > Actually, when it goes to court, the father usually wins. That doesn’t count the fathers who back out custody fights because they’re not likely to win, though. IOW, it’s a self-selecting group of fathers with the best chance of winning. Really? This is new info to me. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’d like to find out more about that. Got a cite or anything? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/79 "2006-02-02T18:51:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **Guinastasia** said: > Guys, don’t even bother trying to debate with catsix on this-she’s completely irrational. It’s like the word “feminist” somehow flips a switch in her brain. One of us is a functional adult who holds down a full time professional position and the other is so mentally fucked up that working as a cashier is too stressful. Hmm. You calling me irrational. That’s funny! > [@](#): > > Male circumcision-while routine circumcision of male babies in the US is incredibly stupid, there are often medical reasons to have it done. Oh really? Then why does the American Pediatrics Association not recommend it as a routine practice? There are _rare instances_ in which it is used to correct a physical defect, but I’ve yet to see one medically sound reason for circumcising a healthy infant boy. > [@](#): > > And the way it is practiced-holding down a kicking, scream pre-teen, cutting off most of her external genitalia with a dull, rusty blade and then stitching up the wound with thorns, can hardly be compared. Isn’t that how male circumcision is performed in much of the undeveloped world? As a rite of passage right around the time of puberty? > [@](#): > > Look, I know how you are on this topic, and it really pisses me off that you can sit there and just tar an entire movement, which is very diverse, with such a wide-brush, simply because of some yahoos on a now defunct message board. Oh if it were only that. Unfortunately, I learned long before that ‘now defunct message board’ that feminism as a movement is nothing more than sexism dressed up in politically correct clothing. > [@](#): > > **RTFirefly** said: > You got a cite for that “women are more likely to hire a killer” assertion? OK, here’s a cite for you: > [@](#): > > [excerpted from “The Myth of Male Power” by Warren Farrell, Ph.D.](http://www.abs-comptech.com/domestic.html) > Fifth, the women usually chose one of three methods by which to kill: she (1) persuaded her boyfriend to do the killing (in reverse Svengali style); (2) hired some young boys from a disadvantaged background to do it for a small amount of money; or (3) hired a professional killer, thus usually using the money her husband earned to kill her husband. > [@](#): > > **tdn** said: > Really? This is new info to me. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’d like to find out more about that. Got a cite or anything? It’s news to me too, although it doesn’t surprise me that more non-custodial mothers partially or totally default on ordered support than do non-custodial fathers. > [@](#): > > [From Children’s Justice](http://www.childrensjustice.org/stats.htm) > In addition, almost 47% of non-custodial mothers default on support compared with the 27% of fathers who default. (Source: Garansky and Meyer, DHHS Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, 1991). ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647/80 "2006-02-02T18:53:38Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Really? This is new info to me. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’d like to find out more about that. Got a cite or anything? I’m working on a defintive cite. For now, a Q & D regarding custody [in Illinois](http://www.gitlinlawfirm.com/qa/custody.htm#q_fathercustody). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-the-young-woman-sitting-behind-me-who-said-feminists-were-man-hating-nazis/342647.md?page=5)