# To those who think breaking should not be in the Olympics: Chillax. Or shove off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** olympic-sports-track\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633 "2024-08-13T00:32:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/161 "2024-08-15T02:01:38Z")
Well, Jordon Chiles might have something to say about that. The girl was robbed. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/162 "2024-08-15T02:10:59Z")
Heck yeah. I’d be totally on board with that one! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/163 "2024-08-15T02:19:49Z")
You really think a stronger dominant group should be appropriating another groups culture? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/164 "2024-08-15T02:23:51Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You really think a stronger dominant group should be appropriating another groups culture? Of course! Why the heck wouldn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/165 "2024-08-15T02:38:28Z")
Okay. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/166 "2024-08-15T02:50:55Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Okay. To get this back on track: if I could win an Olympic medal by excelling at something another group came up with — why wouldn’t I? If I find a recipe that’s nutritious and delicious — why _not_ live a happier and healthier life as a result, regardless of which culture pioneered it? Why _not_ foil an assailant or remedy an ailment or whatever, with a technique you can learn from someone else? As someone once said, _I am a human being; nothing human can be alien to me!_ ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/167 "2024-08-15T03:39:05Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > If we _really_ want to be true to the spirit of the original games, we could return to the all-nude competition. All right, all right, all right! Let’s get to judging! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/168 "2024-08-15T03:50:14Z")
The pole vaulter may have found that disconcerting. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/169 "2024-08-15T03:55:27Z")
Hey, if they had someone judging him on style, he might still have won. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/170 "2024-08-15T05:24:10Z")
> [@Wallaby](#): > > The fact that many of the other competitors chose not to compete is their problem. I’d say “chose” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there [given the circumstances of many of the country’s top B-Girls and the timing/location of the competition](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/14/raygun-breaking-paris-olympics-australian-dance-industry). > Clark says there were a number of technical factors that stopped many of Australia’s best B-girls from trying out for the Olympics. The [Oceania qualifying event](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/27/dont-scratch-the-floor-australian-breakers-battle-for-olympic-spots) in Sydney in 2023 “was a really quick turnaround”, with little lead time between the announcement and the event itself. Participants had to register with three different bodies to compete and had to have a valid passport, which Clark says many B-girls didn’t – nor did they want to shell out hundreds of dollars for one to be issued. All of this resulted in poorly attended qualifiers. > > “There wasn’t even enough B-girls to [fill] the top 16,” she says. And the cultural mockery she’s accused of isn’t being White - there’ve always been non-Black breakers - hell, the original Rock Steady Crew was largely Hispanic. It’s doing whatever the fuck she ended up doing there, rather than actual breaking. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/171 "2024-08-15T05:49:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Anything that isn’t an athletic contest doesn’t belong. That’s pretty basic. how soon they forget. I give you, Olympic Poetry. > **[Art competitions at the Summer Olympics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_competitions_at_the_Summer_Olympics)** > > Art competitions formed part of the modern Olympic Games during its early years, from 1912 to 1948. The competitions were part of the original intention of the Olympic Movement's founder, Pierre de Frédy, Baron de Coubertin. Medals were awarded for works of art inspired by sport, divided into five categories: architecture, literature, music, painting, and sculpture. > The juried art competitions were abandoned in 1954 because artists were considered to be professionals, while Olympic athletes... Also included were architecture, music, painting and sculpture. Of course, they were all sport related. This went on until1948. > [@Atamasama](#): > > That’s fair. And for some reason I absolutely **love** to watch figure skating. I have never been able to articulate why, but I’m enthralled by it. I hate figure skating, but I love ice dancing. I like the twizzles. Heck, I just like saying twizzle, ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/172 "2024-08-15T11:34:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You have to aim precisely, hold a heavy gun steady, pull the trigger perfectly (without the slightest twitch), endure the kickback, you even have to breathe properly to not throw your aim off. I used to go to the range and shoot off a hundred rounds from a pistol and I was exhausted by the time I was done. > > Video games don’t do that. But e-sports at the competitive level involves comparable skills; feats of incredible precision and speed, and yes that are very tiring. And, believe it or not, natural aptitude…most people could not compete at the top level of the most popular games even with a lifetime of practice. I’m not saying that e-sports should be in the olympics, I would definitely be against that. Just that distinctions like this are pretty arbitrary. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/173 "2024-08-15T12:22:29Z")
I’m not seeing where a breakdancer is more athletic than a bodybuilder. The line between a weightlifter and bodybuilder is vanishingly thin in terms of how they actually train, with the primary difference being on how they compete. Meanwhile a breakdancer has to have rhythm, coordination, and… what else? Not speed, endurance, power, explosiveness, or any of the other traditional athletic virtues. That’s my point- the definition of a sport is pretty lacking. Until that’s nailed down, there’s no real way to tell. (for the record, I’d argue that neither breakdancing nor bodybuilding should be considered sports) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/174 "2024-08-15T12:48:34Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Meanwhile a breakdancer has to have rhythm, coordination, and… what else? Not speed, endurance, power, explosiveness, or any of the other traditional athletic virtues. What? A lot of the moves need (explosive) strength, speed, balance etc. I mean put it this way: a lot of the moves in breakdancing are also used in gymnastics. Do they suddenly not need skill when there is hip-hop in the background? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/175 "2024-08-15T12:49:07Z")
> [@bump](#): > > The line between a weightlifter and bodybuilder is vanishingly thin in terms of how they actually train Not the slightest bit true. Aside from the fact that they both lift heavy weights, the training regimen is vastly different. > [@bump](#): > > Meanwhile a breakdancer has to have rhythm, coordination, and… what else? Not speed, endurance, power, explosiveness, or any of the other traditional athletic virtues. Why don’t you watch a couple minutes of this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0_r-d2ygE) and tell us all again how they don’t need speed, endurance, power, explosiveness, or any traditional athletic virtues. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/176 "2024-08-15T13:23:04Z")
Any “event” that can be confused with a young woman whjo has squirrels in her pants, is not an event. [SQUIRRELS IN HER PANTS! {LINK}](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prVTMrb6JHo&ab_channel=PhineasFan11) ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/177 "2024-08-15T13:36:11Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I’m not seeing where a breakdancer is more athletic than a bodybuilder. The line between a weightlifter and bodybuilder is vanishingly thin in terms of how they actually train, with the primary difference being on how they compete. Yes, but that difference is why one’s a sport and the other isn’t. As @Atamasama said in Post 144: > [@Atamasama](#): > > Bodybuilding is about building up an appearance and then being judged by that appearance. It’s a kind of beauty pageant. Sure, building muscle requires a great deal of training and discipline, but you’re only judged by your appearance. Weightlifters are scored by how much weight they lift, and if they do it correctly; i.e., by how well they perform the athletic portion of the sport. Bodybuilders are judged by the results of their training, not the activity itself. Me, I’m with @Left_Hand_of_Dorkness - I like Olympic events that are fun to watch, that make me go “Whoa. How the _hell_ did she do that?” I want to see something that reminds me that these athletes are the very pinnacle of their sport - a 3:51 mile, a 2:07:00 marathon, a 100-point lead climb. Something exciting, that shows me the huge gap between, say, Sifan Hassan and me. That’s why I don’t pay a lot of attention to gymnastics, except for tumbling and uneven bars - things like vault and pommel horse are over so quickly that I really can’t see the excellence. Diving doesn’t interest me, for the same reason. **LHOD** wants to see people upside down; I want to see them flying through the air. Which is why I loved the breaking. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > As someone once said, _I am a human being; nothing human can be alien to me!_ Publius Terentius Afer, Terence the African. Roman playwright. “_Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto._” Hey, it’s the Dope - you knew someone was going to knowitall in. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/178 "2024-08-15T13:40:25Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Why don’t you watch a couple minutes of this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0_r-d2ygE) and tell us all again how they don’t need speed, endurance, power, explosiveness, or any traditional athletic virtues. Holy crap–that was amazing! Did you SEE how often they were upside down?! > [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > **LHOD** wants to see people upside down; I want to see them flying through the air. Okay, modify what I said before: I wanna see sports where people are upside down, and flying through the air. Both at the same time? BONUS. Ski jumps are the best. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/179 "2024-08-15T13:57:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Okay, modify what I said before: I wanna see sports where people are upside down, and flying through the air. Both at the same time? BONUS. Ski jumps are the best. I don’t know much about ski jumping, but I strongly suspect a jumper who’s upside-down is doing it very very wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633/180 "2024-08-15T14:03:27Z")
This is the kind of thing I’m thinking about. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/48rpJlnKebA/maxresdefault.jpg "Ski Tips & Calling Tricks | 10 Easy - Advanced Tricks to Do off Jumps") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48rpJlnKebA&t=124) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-think-breaking-should-not-be-in-the-olympics-chillax-or-shove-off/1005633.md?page=10)