# To those who wish to expatriate to Canada, I pit you, cowards. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265 "2004-11-05T21:37:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/41 "2004-11-06T19:59:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > So much for "compassionate conservatism and “inclusion” eh? You are a Canadian spy, and I claim my £5. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/42 "2004-11-06T20:34:27Z")
By the way **chao** , I for one am staying, at least for now. But I sure am sick and tired of feeling that I have to be embarrased every time I tell someone from another country that I’m an american, or that I have to add that, no, I didn’t vote for him. Is it really too much to want to be in a country that’s respected, or at least not loathed by most of the world? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/43 "2004-11-06T21:41:50Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Dude, stay up to date-- current exchange is **80 cents**. Maybe we should start a pool on when we’ll see parity. I’m **not** joking. I’m thinking maybe by the 2006 midterms. ---
**Author:** ![Snaggletooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Snaggletooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snaggletooth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/44 "2004-11-06T22:55:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **Seven** We’ve been working on moving up there. It isn’t as easy as one might think. We need to complete the proper paperwork, secure work, find a place to live while at the same time wrap up everything down here. But we should be there by this time next year (in fact, just under 7 months). This also isn’t a move to another city, this is leaving a country for another. I have no intention to return except to perhaps visit family. Flip > [@](#): > > **Seven** Anyway, I’m sure this is all on deaf ears, but the offer to send you my paypal account still stands if you’d like to put your money where your mouth is. My wife is doing the paperwork for her BC medical license and if you want to cover the expense that would be dandy. The sooner that goes through the sooner I’ll be out of your hair. Flop > [@](#): > > ] **Seven** I’m not going anywhere. I plan to stay put right here in the US. But, you can take your “love it or leave it attitude” and drop it. I am confused…do you or don’t want to move? Let me guess you would want the money but not have to move…sounds like a solicits… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/45 "2004-11-06T23:33:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Maybe we should start a pool on when we’ll see parity. > > I’m **not** joking. I’m thinking maybe by the 2006 midterms. We’re already at parity. Well, above parity, now, since the Cdn$ closed higher still on Friday. [cite](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041104.wdoll1104/BNStory/Business/?query=parity+dollar) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/46 "2004-11-07T00:21:30Z")
> [@Snaggletooth](#): > > Flip > > Flop > > I am confused…do you or don’t want to move? Let me guess you would want the money but not have to move…sounds like a solicits… 😃 You should check your cites. It is SteveG who is not moving anywhere, not Seven. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/47 "2004-11-07T00:36:34Z")
**Gorsnak** , I believe that’s _purchasing-power parity_\*. In numerical terms, the Canadian dollar is [somewhere around 83c US](http://www.xe.com/). :: checks :: 83.5??? :eek: It’s rising faster than gas prices! ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/48 "2004-11-07T00:50:29Z")
We’ve talked about it for several different reasons. And although we don’t have the points to emigrate just yet, we may be able to do so in a couple of years. Will we do it? Perhaps. Most of the reasons have nothing whatsoever to do with the US. We love Canada. We’ve both visited many times and we both simply feel at home there. We love the scenery, we love the people, and we love the atmosphere. We both feel we should have been Canadians from birth. We both want to raise children in a positive environment. I am very, very skeptical about raising kids here. We’re in one of the states that just voted the ban on gay marriage. We’re in a wealthy community as lower-middle class people, so we don’t fit in that way. We have no intention of getting older and buying one of the McMansions in the town, which seems to be the intention of many here. There is absolutely no diversity here. The schools here are about 98% white. My husband went to high school with 2 minority kids out of 290. The other 288 were white. I went to school where 1/3 were black, 1/3 were Asian and Latino, and 1/3 were white. I can’t imagine sending my kids to a school that’s got no diversity whatsoever. And it’s not even the lack of diversity, it’s the attitudes toward minorities. Like \*\*Elysian, we just don’t fit in. We believe in gay marriage, freedom to worship the god of your choice (and we do NOT believe that the US is, or should be, a Christian country, like I’ve heard from so many people). The actions of our country in the past several years are painful to us. Not only do we not want to raise our children in an environment of hatred and bigotry, we don’t especially want to live in one. What’s keeping us here is the money and our family. We don’t have the money to move to another country. We would miss our family very much. But should we have the money to move, we may seriously look into it. Canada is the country that we feel the US _should_ be. I do hope one day that the US is as ‘nice’ as Canada. And I hope it’s in my lifetime. Ava ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/49 "2004-11-07T00:55:21Z")
> [@Snaggletooth](#): > > Flip > > Flop > > I am confused…do you or don’t want to move? Let me guess you would want the money but not have to move…sounds like a solicits… 😃 Cite?? I’m the one who is staying put. Get your quotes right. I don’t have a problem with anyone leaving, it’s their choice. Likewise I have no problem with anyone staying. So again, what’s it gonna be? “Love it or leave it”, or “drop dead for leaving”? Pick one. I would think those of you who have yelled “Love it or leave” it since the '60s would be ecstatic if there was a huge exodus. You’re all getting your wish. Maybe the same people who heard it back then don’t care to hang around any longer waiting for the rest of the country to straighten out and find some middle ground. I can’t blame them really. Patiently waiting and hoping gets real old after almost half a century. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/50 "2004-11-07T01:06:31Z")
This doesn’t make sense. The OP could have made a case for “cowardice” if these people wanted to leave out of fear (say, after the 9/11), but political dissent isn’t cowardice. It takes more resolve to leave one’s country than to stay. Of course, the OP might want to make a case for white americans being the descendants of cowards, since their ancestors left their countries of origin to settle in America. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/51 "2004-11-07T01:41:29Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > **Gorsnak** , I believe that’s _purchasing-power parity_\*. In numerical terms, the Canadian dollar is [somewhere around 83c US](http://www.xe.com/). > > :: checks :: > > 83.5??? :eek: > It’s rising faster than gas prices! Yes, of course that’s purchasing power parity. It’s the only interesting kind. Numerical parity is an arbitrary sort of thing, more psychological than anything. ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/52 "2004-11-07T02:33:25Z")
I was thinking about emigrating north, but it looks like Bush is being more reasonable since his latest victory. Why, my family received a letter just yesterday letting us know that we have up to six months to choose a place of worship. Of course, our choice has to be based on the list of sanctioned faiths, but I wasn’t really tied to that whole Buddhism thing anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Blackacre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@Blackacre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackacre)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/53 "2004-11-07T02:35:46Z")
Ohhhhh, suck it Dems!!! Previously posted [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285128) ! Ignorant A-holes! =D BA ---
**Author:** ![Survivor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@Survivor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Survivor)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/54 "2004-11-07T04:01:10Z")
> [@scott evil](#): > > Still, I wonder if it would be this easy in Ottawa or Toronto without sticking only to gay-friendly businesses. We’ve done all of our business exactly where we’ve chosen to, including the oldest Canadian retail chain (The Hudson’s Bay Company), and Birks, the venerable jewelry institution. Not one nasty look. 🙂 I can’t speak for Ottawa, but everyone we dealt with in Toronto was amazingly supportive when hubby and I were setting up our wedding last January/February … Well, OK, The Bay at Yonge and Bloor wasn’t too great, but I don’t think I’ve EVER seen them help any customers - Gay or Straight 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/55 "2004-11-07T04:59:31Z")
You know it is Saturday night, for Blackacre is posting while drunk again. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/56 "2004-11-07T05:02:06Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You know it is Saturday night, for Blackacre is posting while drunk again. Actually, we have no way of knowing what day or time it is, because while he might sometimes post drunk, he apparently always posts stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/57 "2004-11-07T05:51:01Z")
> [@Snaggletooth](#): > > Flip > > Flop > > I am confused?do you or don?t want to move? Let me guess you would want the money but not have to move?sounds like a solicits? 😃 ??? Flip-flop eh?? (I’m working on my accent you see) I love how the good ol’ U S of A has become a place where it is wrong to change your mind,. even if you haven’t. If you’re going insert my name in something someone else said just to prove your point or come after me you might as well make it good. Like, let’s see… > [@](#): > > **seven** I’m moving to canada so I can pray to the dark lord with the rest of the liberal leftie men-on-men pot smoking, health care loving FREAKS Or how about > [@](#): > > **seven** I’m moving to canada so I can kill puppies Give me a break. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/58 "2004-11-07T05:57:19Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > I’m moving to canada so I can pray to the dark lord with the rest of the liberal leftie men-on-men pot smoking, health care loving FREAKS I’m sorry. We pray to the Dark Mistress, not the Dark Lord. I’m afraid you’re just out of luck. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/59 "2004-11-07T07:40:46Z")
What?? No dark lord? Well, as long as there is plenty of puppy killing, then I’m still in ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2004, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265/60 "2004-11-07T08:58:20Z")
We don’t kill puppies here; we _celebrate_ them, in a disgustingly-sentimental [James Lumbers](http://www.gallerydirectart.com/dealer-gallery-of-fine-art-prints---posters-hadley-house-james-lumbers.html) hang-on-the-wall kind of way. Of course, the saccharine levels this generates often kills them anyways, but sacrifice is good in a good cause (like “socialised medicine” or trying to figure out how to spend the federal surplus), and anyways, you can’t make a Timbit withoug putting holes in a few Tims, eh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-who-wish-to-expatriate-to-canada-i-pit-you-cowards/273265.md?page=4)