# Today I saw a loser that made me so mad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921 "2009-12-11T21:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/61 "2009-12-12T05:00:09Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > You made this about you and you further hide your ethical culpability. I’m _ethically culpable_ now? You know what’s a defect of character? Throwing pity parties. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wow…you really are an evil bastard, aren’t you? You like “teasing, mocking, and jeering” the mentally ill, eh? You are one sick SOB. > > You didn’t give “advice”. You basically reinforced the guy’s guy’s own feelings. Wow, with skills like that, you should go into counseling!!! Noooooooooo. No matter how hard it is, I want you pay attention now, ok? Hey, hey! Stop looking at shiny things. Focus. 1. The Pit is a place for mocking and jeering people. 2. Quote the post where I said anything to the guy. I never reinforced anything. Because I never posted in that pathetic hug-fest. If you’d been paying attention, you would have noted that at no point has **mooky** even seen my user name, most likely. The only person who’s mood I’m spoiling is yours and those like you, who trip all over each other to go comfort someone who has no interest and no ability to be comforted. You say I’m kicking him to make myself feel better? You’re “hugging” him to make yourself feel better, to show all the other Dopers just how warm and fuzzy you can be. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/62 "2009-12-12T05:12:03Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Noooooooooo. No matter how hard it is, I want you pay attention now, ok? Hey, hey! Stop looking at shiny things. Focus. > > 1. The Pit is a place for mocking and jeering people. > 2. Quote the post where I said anything to the guy. I never reinforced anything. Because I never posted in that pathetic hug-fest. If you’d been paying attention, you would have noted that at no point has **mooky** even seen my user name, most likely. Focus yourself. Once again, it’s NOT about being all sunshine and lollipops. It’s saying, “don’t deliberately go and provoke those who are mentally ill.” So the guy’s a whiner? Duh, that’s what depression does to you. Fine, you find it annoying. Doesn’t mean you have to poke him with a stick. If you can’t tell the difference, then I can’t help you. Is everything always so black and white in your world? 1.) And likewise, we can do it right back to you! See! It’s win-win! 2.) I never posted in that “hug-fest” either. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/63 "2009-12-12T05:32:03Z")
Chessic, don’t you have some elevator scofflaw to kick or something? ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/64 "2009-12-12T06:17:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Focus yourself. Once again, it’s NOT about being all sunshine and lollipops. It’s saying, “don’t deliberately go and provoke those who are mentally ill.” So the guy’s a whiner? Duh, that’s what depression does to you. Fine, you find it annoying. Doesn’t mean you have to poke him with a stick. > > If you can’t tell the difference, then I can’t help you. Is everything always so black and white in your world? > > 1.) And likewise, we can do it right back to you! See! It’s win-win! > 2.) I never posted in that “hug-fest” either. Dumbass. Oh for Og’s sake. For one thing, it’s a plural you. Second, I never poked the guy with a stick. He’s not here. He’s not reading this. There is no poking going on. > [@tacoloco](#): > > Chessic, don’t you have some elevator scofflaw to kick or something? Funny thing about that today. Long story short, two girls got into a bitch-fest about it today right in front of me! I didn’t even have to bring it up. We got on the elevator in the parking garage and the one girl hit the first floor button. And. It. Was. On. The offender told my fellow high-floorer to eat a dick. She shouted back “You’ve had enough for the both of us.” I high-fived her. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/65 "2009-12-12T06:39:55Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > There is a line in the bible that goes something like, > > “If you are walking in a valley of shit, be sure to keep your head high..” > > (I think it was from the gospel of Mark, appendice 3 (concerning muppets) > > It is with this in mind that I would like to invite our laugh-a-minute friend **mookieblaylock** to leave the shallow waters of MPSIMS and join me in the pit where I can say what I really think. > > **mookie** , its like this. Life is hard, its a real pain in the ass, and we all have our problems. Let me repeat that, we ALL have our problems. Its the height of fucking self indulgence to think that you have it any worse than all of the thousands of people ignoring you in the street every day. > > But what do the rest of us do? We fucking get on with it. We lean forward, take the strain and keep going. What we do not do is sit there like a useless lump of fucktard and whine about how much we suck. > > Of course nobody wants you around, you are a fucking loser, just listen to yourself whinging for fuck sake. So knowing that, what are you going to do about it? Oh, I know, why dont you go on the internet and keep repeating to strangers that you are a loser. Yeah, thats the ticket, that will turn things around. > > For fucks sake, you are a 22 year old kid. All it would take to change things for you would be some bubble bath and a few runs to the park. Hardly an insurmountable task. Hell, Bono is out there trying to cure Africa, yet here you are crying that its hard to look in the mirror. Are you harder to cure than Africa? Should we pull Bono of that job and give him your file? (We can do that you know, Bob Geldof just takes over, but we shouldnt have to) > > Mookie you cretin, grow the FUCK up. Go wash off that eyeliner. Or put on some eyeliner. Fuck it do SOMETHING with eyeliner, something that involves an activity other than trolling MPSIMS. Oh yes, trolling. I know, I know, its probably fun to goad all the kitty huggers into offering all their hugs and kisses and sympathies and life stories and crap, only to then ignore their words with more noble self loathing, but it wont be much fun when you realise that if you had spent that time getting some fresh air you might actually remember which bits girls have that we guys don’t. > > Out? Outside I hope. > > Mookie, I have one bit of advice for your lonely ass. I heard it when I was in Australia, where I believe a sports team had it tattooed on their arms. Four simple words to make them keep fighting. > > “Harden the fuck up” When did being an asshole become more acceptable than being needy? And even though you don’t know it, you are a far bigger failure than anyone who is depressed or self loathing could ever be. You are a destructive asshole, which is much worse than being self loathing or embarrassing. There is a difference between ‘weird/annoying to some people’ and ‘asshole’. You are an asshole. 90% of people prefer to be around weird/annoying people over destructive, self absorbed assholes given a choice. You can keep the other 10%. The guy is 22. These kinds of emotional & neurological problems he likely suffers from take time to repair. It isn’t like a course of antibiotics, where you are healthy in 2 weeks. It takes years to repair emotional trauma. And it is a very messy, embarrassing process. If you don’t like watching how messy it is, don’t fucking watch. You are an entitled asshole. Just leave the kid alone if you don’t like what he has to say. If not and you are still pissed off, go pick on someone who is able and willing to fight back next time. Don’t pick on a 22 year old with a severe mental illness, 2 suicide attempts, no self worth and likely a pretty traumatic past. I’m not asking you to be ok with his behavior and try to help him, just shut the fuck up in the future and don’t contribute to making it worse. ---
**Author:** ![AqualungBats5th](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@AqualungBats5th](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AqualungBats5th)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/66 "2009-12-12T08:33:57Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Hell, Bono is out there trying to cure Africa, yet here you are crying that its hard to look in the mirror. Are you harder to cure than Africa? This. This right here is made of awesome. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/67 "2009-12-12T09:42:49Z")
I think this thread is going to be a little like bear-baiting without the bear. From a completely mercenary standpoint, I really hope that the guy wasn’t completely on the edge, because a pitting might just push him over. I don’t really want to hear Nancy Grace talk about “the mean-spirited attacks of a message board who drove poor **mookie** over the edge. Coming up, a spokesperson for the board responds.” Not that we couldn’t weather the storm, of course, but we don’t need the drama or controversy. Maybe I’m way off base here, but I’ve seen a couple of cases involving cyber bullying. The one involving the young girl who committed suicide because of taunting she got from a “friend” who turned out to be a former best friend’s mom. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/68 "2009-12-12T09:54:04Z")
Look, dude. You need to learn the rules. You are not allowed to make fun of fat buttertolls, ugly polyamory practitioners, or overly sensitive “mentally ill” people unless they are conservatives. I say, if someone wants to kill themselves over a message board, good riddance. I, for one, am not going to worry about being on Nancy Grace (jesus, are you fucking serious? Christ almighty, what a tard). If one of these retards wants to whine about their life in the pit, and someone makes fun of them for being an angsty bitch, also good, except that it will bring the tidal wave of “sensitive” and “nice” people who are shitty posters. There are too many middle-aged balding beardies and fatties who just want to have a fucking support group on this board as it is. Hopefully the few brave souls who fight back against the incursion of giant pussies who can’t hang won’t get driven away by the mass of intellectual weaklings. Of course, these people don’t realize what giant douchebags they are, so I fear this post is in vain. But unlike them I won’t castigate global warming deniers as people who should be deported and then in my next post quote that retarded bit about first they came for the jews like I’m some sort of deep thinker. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/69 "2009-12-12T10:08:13Z")
A few minutes ago I read **Wesley Clark’s** post very appropriately calling \*\*bucketybuck \*\* an asshole. Truer words were never spoken. Then I browsed a few other forums and came back to the Pit, where I saw the last post was by i **vn1188** and I thought to myself, “Great, looks like another asshole has joined the thread.” Then I clicked on your post and found out I was right. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/70 "2009-12-12T10:23:05Z")
Thank you for writing that, **Wesley Clark**. Perfectly put. **Chessic Sense** , I know you have financially helped a doper in distress in the past. So maybe you’re not as unsympathetic as you make out. I’m not sure why you wear your lack of empathy like a badge of pride - particularly because it’s one of the diagnostic criteria for several unpleasant mental disorders. You’re better than that. ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/71 "2009-12-12T10:47:00Z")
It is hard to understand the depth of what **mookie** might be going through till you have no one to share to, no one to confide to about your weakness, fears and loathings. Irrational thoughts do not just go away with a snap of the finger. It is possible to wallow in self-pity and at the same time trying to do something about it; you just cannot switch off the internal radio. And eventually you would want to explode; you just need to talk about it before it gets worse. Thankfully I have reached a saturation point where I don’t expect any sympathy or any help. If I have to sprout it out, I am expecting people ask me to harden up, wise up or grow a thicker skin. “Why are you still depressed?” Blah blah blah. I don’t blame anyone for not giving me virtual hugs, listening to me or trying to understand me. It’s like existing in a different world all together, across chasm which is impossible to gap. Yes, it’s sad that the world wants depressed people or those with mental conditions to put up a false front and go on pretending to be happy and all that. No one want to hear their troubles. Understandably why compassion is at times considered a virtue. So what the OP is doing is actually ‘normal’ to me. Just put it this way, everyone would need help one day. How would you like to be treated when you do need help? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/72 "2009-12-12T12:59:45Z")
I won’t bother to quote, but to all those who have decided that I am an asshole, and a ‘disgusting’ person, I say, don’t waste your time. You don’t know me, and I don’t worry about what strangers on the web think of me, so get over it. I read mookies thread in MPSIMS, and I had an opinion on his trolling. I would have posted my opinion in his thread, but rules are rules so I posted it here. At least its my honest opinion, rare enough in these parts. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/73 "2009-12-12T13:16:45Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Of course, these people don’t realize what giant douchebags they are The irony of one of the Alpha douchebags on the dope calling other people douchebags is sweet and delicious. > [@bucketybuck](#): > > I won’t bother to quote, but to all those who have decided that I am an asshole, and a ‘disgusting’ person, I say, don’t waste your time. You don’t know me, and I don’t worry about what strangers on the web think of me, so get over it. I’m pretty sure it’s you who needs to get over it. If you don’t care, then why even mention it? ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/74 "2009-12-12T13:35:45Z")
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**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/75 "2009-12-12T14:54:12Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > The irony of one of the Alpha douchebags on the dope calling other people douchebags is sweet and delicious. Hey, just look at Carol Stream. Wheels: slow grinding, exceedingly fine, yadda yadda. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/76 "2009-12-12T15:05:39Z")
I have no problem with this thread. Crashing the pity party would be rude, and the OP refrained (as did I), but IMO that thread was trolling bullshit, and the Pit is an appropriate place to call it out, if you care enough to. If someone I actually know and love spurned my every bit of compassionate and well-intentioned advice with “I’m a loser and I’ll never be anything other than a loser”, I’d tell him right quick that while he may or may not be a loser, he is most certainly a buzzkill, seriously tiresome, and he needs to find some way to snap out of it, and I’m happy to help him do that, but I’m not gonna spend precious hours of my life indulging this crap. Hugging isn’t the same as helping. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/77 "2009-12-12T15:07:50Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Look, dude. You need to learn the rules. You are not allowed to make fun of fat buttertolls, ugly polyamory practitioners, or overly sensitive “mentally ill” people unless they are conservatives. > > I say, if someone wants to kill themselves over a message board, good riddance. I, for one, am not going to worry about being on Nancy Grace (jesus, are you fucking serious? Christ almighty, what a tard). If one of these retards wants to whine about their life in the pit, and someone makes fun of them for being an angsty bitch, also good, except that it will bring the tidal wave of “sensitive” and “nice” people who are shitty posters. > > There are too many middle-aged balding beardies and fatties who just want to have a fucking support group on this board as it is. Hopefully the few brave souls who fight back against the incursion of giant pussies who can’t hang won’t get driven away by the mass of intellectual weaklings. > > Of course, these people don’t realize what giant douchebags they are, so I fear this post is in vain. But unlike them I won’t castigate global warming deniers as people who should be deported and then in my next post quote that retarded bit about first they came for the jews like I’m some sort of deep thinker. Moral thought is one of the deepest intellectual considerations. Stop being such a pussy about it. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/78 "2009-12-12T15:28:15Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > No. There are a set of events and actions in my life that have led me to be this way. Iraq, for one. My parents, for another. My former physique, for a third. THOSE I wear like a badge of honor because overcoming hurdles is honorable. My lack of compassion for people unwilling to do the same as I have done is merely a side effect. But enough about me. You say that as if your suffering and overcoming are some kind of excuse not to give a shit about other people. This board is full of sour-grapes whiners with this same attitude and it’s getting pretty old. ‘‘I HAD TO SUFFER ALONE! EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD TOO!’’ Give me a fucking break. The bitterness bleeds through ever post. All that lack of compassion shows is that you didn’t learn shit from your experience. > [@](#): > > You’re “hugging” him to make yourself feel better, to show all the other Dopers just how warm and fuzzy you can be. Yeah, because ‘‘warm and fuzzy’’ is such a valued trait here on the Dope. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/79 "2009-12-12T15:38:36Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > My spidey sense says attention seeking preteen/teenager. Or at the least, a histrionic personality. Which is not to say his problems aren’t real. I can totally see someone like him staging a semi-serious suicide attempt to refocus attention on himself from the people around him. But the “I’m such a loser and everyone hates me and they’re right” sounded pretty well-rehearsed. But troll or suicidal or some exhilarating combination of the two, nothing on a messageboard is going to do anyone any good. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/80 "2009-12-12T15:44:14Z")
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