# Today I saw a loser that made me so mad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921 "2009-12-11T21:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/81 "2009-12-12T15:49:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Or at the least, a histrionic personality. > > Which is not to say his problems aren’t real. I can totally see someone like him staging a semi-serious suicide attempt to refocus attention on himself from the people around him. But the “I’m such a loser and everyone hates me and they’re right” sounded pretty well-rehearsed. > > But troll or suicidal or some exhilarating combination of the two, nothing on a messageboard is going to do anyone any good. > > Regards, > Shodan [Leave Mookie alone!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc) ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/82 "2009-12-12T15:56:21Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > What’s a buttertoll? Women who would be interesting but for the taxing nature of their arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/83 "2009-12-12T16:12:29Z")
I’d say to count me in with the sociopathic, puppy kicking, teabagging, being totally closed hearted in this holiday season (which is ridiculous. Is it better to be cruel during the non holidays? How about certain holidays? Can I be mean near arbor day?) people who have zero sympathy for those who start attention seeking threads only to piss all over those offering advice/warm thoughts, but that thread was a big pile of troll. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/84 "2009-12-12T16:27:05Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Are you disagreeing with me or someone else? You know I said the same thing, right? Disagreeing with someone else. I got steamed after reading sentiments that sympathy is weakness and wanted to put my two cents in too. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/85 "2009-12-12T16:28:11Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > Maybe it’s because I’m a psychiatrist’s daughter that I see mental illness as exactly the same as diabetes, heart disease, or a bad knee–something that hurts and sucks to deal with but you go to the doctor and follow certain protocols and do daily maintenance and get better. But just complaining about it never accomplished anything, and getting warm fuzzies on the internet won’t fix a pancreas any more than a brain. > > People like **mookieblaylock** are certainly welcome to complain about their problems as far as I can see, but if they won’t lift a fucking finger to try to fix them, then they deserve a full force pitting just as flamey as a person with diabetes complaining about their gangrenous foot getting cut off while sucking down a pound of hard candy. Been depressed most of my life -on and off medication. Have a sister and aunt who have been hospitalized for it. More people in my family die of suicide than cancer or heart disease (alcholism ranks a strong second - related to the depression). And I concur. More depressed people need to be hit over the head with a brick, told to buck up - and part of bucking up is to get yourself into the psychiatrist, into therapy, onto medication. If you are depressed this IS treatable - but you have to take some responsibility for yourself. If you aren’t, your a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/86 "2009-12-12T16:59:56Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I have no problem with this thread. Crashing the pity party would be rude, and the OP refrained (as did I), but IMO that thread was trolling bullshit, and the Pit is an appropriate place to call it out, if you care enough to. > > If someone I actually know and love spurned my every bit of compassionate and well-intentioned advice with “I’m a loser and I’ll never be anything other than a loser”, I’d tell him right quick that while he may or may not be a loser, he is most certainly a buzzkill, seriously tiresome, and he needs to find some way to snap out of it, and I’m happy to help him do that, but I’m not gonna spend precious hours of my life indulging this crap. Hugging isn’t the same as helping. Megadittos. My old friend and housemate went through a period of deep depression, and is actually now designated permanently disabled/unable to work by the VA. I would bang on his door of a Saturday morn and say “Get Up T we’re going to breakfast.” And he would go “caaaannnn’t” and I would say “GET THE FUCK UP T, we’re going to breakfast and you’re coming” and he would say “nooooooooo” and I would say “QUIT WHINING AND COME TO BREAKFAST, T. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FUCKING SIT THERE.” And after a few rounds of this he would drag himself out of bed, take a shower and and experience an hour of human company and diner pancakes, and thank me for it after. Maybe I should have let him wallow, left without him, never made him do something he didn’t wanna. According to some of y’all there’s nothing worse than preventing a depressed person from wallowing in their misery. BTW, there s nothing bigoted about saying that persistent whiners who also happen to be depressed are incredibly annoying. You can sympathize with a person all you like without enjoying their behavior. Kind of like the guy in the thread who constantly picks at his body and loudly eats the results in the workplace. He obviously has a mental problem… and its fucking annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/87 "2009-12-12T17:08:16Z")
It’s been mentioned before, but the point keeps getting lost in this pitting. The OP from the original thread said that he IS seeing a doctor. I agree that the SDMB is not a good place to look for support for mental health issues, in fact it is a particularly bad place to look, as evidenced by this thread. Yes, the OP would be better off seeking support from a depression-specific internet forum, or a real-world depression support group. But what is the point of piling on to call his thread bullshit and histrionic and annoying? You don’t have to listen to him - if you don’t like his thread, just stop reading it - there is no reason to pit a depressed person who is ill. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/88 "2009-12-12T17:17:47Z")
> [@Enfant Terrible](#): > > Disagreeing with someone else. I got steamed after reading sentiments that sympathy is weakness and wanted to put my two cents in too. I was being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/89 "2009-12-12T17:18:48Z")
> [@Sidney Evgeni Jordan](#): > > It’s been mentioned before, but the point keeps getting lost in this pitting. The OP from the original thread said that he IS seeing a doctor. > > I agree that the SDMB is not a good place to look for support for mental health issues, in fact it is a particularly bad place to look, as evidenced by this thread. Yes, the OP would be better off seeking support from a depression-specific internet forum, or a real-world depression support group. > > But what is the point of piling on to call his thread bullshit and histrionic and annoying? You don’t have to listen to him - if you don’t like his thread, just stop reading it - there is no reason to pit a depressed person who is ill. Yes there is, the lulz dammit, sadists deserve their lulz! ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/90 "2009-12-12T17:56:04Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Yeah, because ‘‘warm and fuzzy’’ is such a valued trait here on the Dope. :rolleyes: Not on the board. DEFINITELY in MPSIMS. > [@Sidney Evgeni Jordan](#): > > But what is the point of piling on to call his thread bullshit and histrionic and annoying? You don’t have to listen to him - if you don’t like his thread, just stop reading it - there is no reason to pit a depressed person who is ill. With a metric like that, what’s the point of pitting _anyone_ on this board? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/91 "2009-12-12T18:01:32Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Yeah, I saw it. So? Am I not allowed to be irked by his attention whoring and dismissal of all our advice? > > And I don’t know if you noticed, but we’re in the Pit. There’s no room for sunshine and lollipops here. It’s the BBQ Pit, not the Kumbaya Bonfire. This is where we’re SUPPOSED to tease, mock, and jeer those that we feel like teasing, mocking, and jeering. I’m pretty sure 99% of the posters on here don’t give a shit about anything posted here. It doesn’t stop us from posting. Gotta love the posters that are always “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all” when we’re in the **FUCKING PIT**. The fact that I’m posting doesn’t mean I give a shit about any of this. Yeah, this is the Pit. No one can stop you from posting. Blah blah blah, yada yada yada. You posted, showed us how tough you are, reiterated how you don’t give a fuck. We’re all duly impressed. There are a lot of things, and plenty of people that I don’t give a damn about too. That may mean I’m an asshole too. At least I try not to advertise it or brag about it. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/92 "2009-12-12T18:14:51Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Yeah, this is the Pit. No one can stop you from posting. Blah blah blah, yada yada yada. > > You posted, showed us how tough you are, reiterated how you don’t give a fuck. > > We’re all duly impressed. > > There are a lot of things, and plenty of people that I don’t give a damn about too. That may mean I’m an asshole too. At least I try not to advertise it or brag about it. Yawn. You posted; you showed us how caring you are, and emphasized how much we all (meaning you and the “community”) don’t want none of that behavior again in these here parts, no sir. Please don’t include me in your little sarcasm laden invocation of the consensus to help carry your weak ass “If you can’t say anything nice…” bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/93 "2009-12-12T18:29:35Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Yawn. You posted; you showed us how caring you are, and emphasized how much we all (meaning you and the “community”) don’t want none of that behavior again in these here parts, no sir. > > Please don’t include me in your little sarcasm laden invocation of the consensus to help carry your weak ass “If you can’t say anything nice…” bullshit. Gee, you’re one tough sumbitch, aren’t you. ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/94 "2009-12-12T18:31:54Z")
> [@](#): > > But what is the point of piling on to call his thread bullshit and histrionic and annoying? You don’t have to listen to him - if you don’t like his thread, just stop reading it - **there is no reason to pit a depressed person who is ill.** > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Not on the board. DEFINITELY in MPSIMS. > With a metric like that, what’s the point of pitting _anyone_ on this board? Check out the last (bolded) part of what I wrote - the comment is specific to _this_ pitting. It’s not OK to pit a depressed person who is ill. He has a disease that can impair judgment. He’s not a fair target for pitting. Also, he is seeking treatment from a doctor, so it’s incorrect to say that he isn’t doing anything about his illness. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/95 "2009-12-12T18:44:52Z")
> [@Sidney Evgeni Jordan](#): > > Check out the last (bolded) part of what I wrote - the comment is specific to _this_ pitting. It’s not OK to pit a depressed person who is ill. He has a disease that can impair judgment. He’s not a fair target for pitting. Unless you believe he is not ill, and is trolling. I know this is hard to believe, but sometimes on the Internet, people don’t tell the truth. Some people give you particular cause to believe they are not on the level. Sometimes, these people get pitted for their attention whoring. Question: is a person immune from criticism simply because they _said_ they were ill? Do you believe everything people tell you on the internet without even pausing to question whether you’re being used? ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/96 "2009-12-12T18:54:27Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Gee, you’re one tough sumbitch, aren’t you. No. He’s a keyboard commando with a big mouth. It’s easy to be a dick when you don’t have any consequences. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/97 "2009-12-12T18:55:32Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Question: is a person immune from criticism simply because they _said_ they were ill? Do you believe everything people tell you on the internet without even pausing to question whether you’re being used? I know this is hard to believe, but there’s constructive criticism and there’s being an asshole. OP was being an asshole. Chessic was being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/98 "2009-12-12T19:04:15Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Megadittos. > > My old friend and housemate went through a period of deep depression, and is actually now designated permanently disabled/unable to work by the VA. I would bang on his door of a Saturday morn and say “Get Up T we’re going to breakfast.” And he would go “caaaannnn’t” and I would say “GET THE FUCK UP T, we’re going to breakfast and you’re coming” and he would say “nooooooooo” and I would say “QUIT WHINING AND COME TO BREAKFAST, T. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FUCKING SIT THERE.” > > And after a few rounds of this he would drag himself out of bed, take a shower and and experience an hour of human company and diner pancakes, and thank me for it after. > > Maybe I should have let him wallow, left without him, never made him do something he didn’t wanna. According to some of y’all there’s nothing worse than preventing a depressed person from wallowing in their misery. > > BTW, there s nothing bigoted about saying that persistent whiners who also happen to be depressed are incredibly annoying. You can sympathize with a person all you like without enjoying their behavior. Kind of like the guy in the thread who constantly picks at his body and loudly eats the results in the workplace. He obviously has a mental problem… and its fucking annoying. Where in there did you say that the OP was a troll? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/99 "2009-12-12T19:07:31Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > I know this is hard to believe, but there’s constructive criticism and there’s being an asshole. OP was being an asshole. Chessic was being an asshole. I notice you didn’t answer the question you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/100 "2009-12-12T19:12:24Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > What’s a buttertoll? I don’t know, but it sounds sweet and delicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921.md?page=6)