# Today I saw a loser that made me so mad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921 "2009-12-11T21:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/101 "2009-12-12T19:18:52Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > Maybe it’s because I’m a psychiatrist’s daughter that I see mental illness as exactly the same as diabetes, heart disease, or a bad knee–something that hurts and sucks to deal with but you go to the doctor and follow certain protocols and do daily maintenance and get better. But just complaining about it never accomplished anything, and getting warm fuzzies on the internet won’t fix a pancreas any more than a brain. > > People like **mookieblaylock** are certainly welcome to complain about their problems as far as I can see, but if they won’t lift a fucking finger to try to fix them, then they deserve a full force pitting just as flamey as a person with diabetes complaining about their gangrenous foot getting cut off while sucking down a pound of hard candy. Speaking as someone with a long and arduous history of depression (ranging anywhere from mild dysthymia to suicidal major depression at various points in time), I wholeheartedly agree. I got about halfway through the OP in question before hitting the back button. My only response to a diatribe like that is “What are you going to _do_ about it?” It would be one thing if he’d actually tried for the millionth time and been rejected; that’s when you have to start evaluating why the things you’re doing aren’t working. But to not even try? Gah. And again… if you do need to start making these evaluations, whining on an internet messageboard in lieu of doing the work won’t change anything at all. Presuming he wants things to change, instead of just wallowing in familiar, comfortable misery, he needs to walk away from the computer and find himself some help. _DO_ something about it. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/102 "2009-12-12T20:12:44Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I notice you didn’t answer the question you quoted. The answer is implicit in my response. Constructive, helpful, non judgmental criticism, sure. Asshole? No. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/103 "2009-12-12T20:21:47Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > The answer is implicit in my response. > > Constructive, helpful, non judgmental criticism, sure. Asshole? No. Explain to me how you can say “I believe you are lying about your illness in order to seek attention” or “I am sorry for your illness but your behavior is both counterproductive and annoying” In a helpful non-judgmental manner? Or according to you these statements are obviously forbidden as soon as someone claims metal illness? ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/104 "2009-12-12T20:40:31Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Look, dude. You need to learn the rules. You are not allowed to make fun of fat buttertolls, ugly polyamory practitioners, or overly sensitive “mentally ill” people unless they are conservatives. > > I say, if someone wants to kill themselves over a message board, good riddance. I, for one, am not going to worry about being on Nancy Grace (jesus, are you fucking serious? Christ almighty, what a tard). If one of these retards wants to whine about their life in the pit, and someone makes fun of them for being an angsty bitch, also good, except that it will bring the tidal wave of “sensitive” and “nice” people who are shitty posters. > > There are too many middle-aged balding beardies and fatties who just want to have a fucking support group on this board as it is. Hopefully the few brave souls who fight back against the incursion of giant pussies who can’t hang won’t get driven away by the mass of intellectual weaklings. > > Of course, these people don’t realize what giant douchebags they are, so I fear this post is in vain. But unlike them I won’t castigate global warming deniers as people who should be deported and then in my next post quote that retarded bit about first they came for the jews like I’m some sort of deep thinker. Look, **Stewie Griffin** (reading your posts in his voice is the only thing that makes them bearable): I was expressing an opinion that I really didn’t want to see the fallout from a dude offing himself from reading a message board on the infotainment news networks. **But I also said we could weather the storm** , so get down off the cross. Besides, I thought you’d be right with me, as the Dope being blamed for some dude’s suicide would probably clog up the Pit with those “weaksauce rants” you’re always yammering about. Plus, before you declare us all “beardies and fatties” you might want to look at the Doper picture gallery. We’re a motley bunch, but I think it’s fair to say that several of the posters here (I’m thinking about **Shodan** and **Clothahump** specifically) are in pretty good shape. I’d also like to see what you look like, just to see if your head _is_ really shaped like a football. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/105 "2009-12-12T21:20:46Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > He’s not here. He’s not reading this. You know this how? > [@bucketybuck](#): > > You don’t know me, and I don’t worry about what strangers on the web think of me, so get over it. And yet AGAIN, no one’s saying you have to be “aw, poor baby!” But once again, hello, excluded middle? Jesus, people. **statsman1982** , have we ever seen a picture of **ivn1188** by the way? EVERYTIME someone brings up the “fatties and middle-aged fugglies” crap I always ask for THEIR pictures. I have yet to see a single photo. I think it should be a rule. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/106 "2009-12-12T21:21:06Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I don’t know, but it sounds sweet and delicious. Yes, at first, but then you find out that digestion is an involved and neverending process. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/107 "2009-12-12T21:36:51Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Megadittos. > > My old friend and housemate went through a period of deep depression, and is actually now designated permanently disabled/unable to work by the VA. I would bang on his door of a Saturday morn and say “Get Up T we’re going to breakfast.” And he would go “caaaannnn’t” and I would say “GET THE FUCK UP T, we’re going to breakfast and you’re coming” and he would say “nooooooooo” and I would say “QUIT WHINING AND COME TO BREAKFAST, T. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FUCKING SIT THERE.” > > And after a few rounds of this he would drag himself out of bed, take a shower and and experience an hour of human company and diner pancakes, and thank me for it after. > > Maybe I should have let him wallow, left without him, never made him do something he didn’t wanna. According to some of y’all there’s nothing worse than preventing a depressed person from wallowing in their misery. > > BTW, there s nothing bigoted about saying that persistent whiners who also happen to be depressed are incredibly annoying. You can sympathize with a person all you like without enjoying their behavior. Kind of like the guy in the thread who constantly picks at his body and loudly eats the results in the workplace. He obviously has a mental problem… and its fucking annoying. > [@Kaio](#): > > Speaking as someone with a long and arduous history of depression (ranging anywhere from mild dysthymia to suicidal major depression at various points in time), I wholeheartedly agree. I got about halfway through the OP in question before hitting the back button. My only response to a diatribe like that is “What are you going to _do_ about it?” > > It would be one thing if he’d actually tried for the millionth time and been rejected; that’s when you have to start evaluating why the things you’re doing aren’t working. But to not even try? Gah. > > And again… if you do need to start making these evaluations, whining on an internet messageboard in lieu of doing the work won’t change anything at all. Presuming he wants things to change, instead of just wallowing in familiar, comfortable misery, he needs to walk away from the computer and find himself some help. _DO_ something about it. There’s a world of difference between that sort of approach in real life, and that sort of approach on the internet. Namely that it doesn’t work on the internet, due to a lack of tone, and the inability to back up words with actions. Personally, I’m glad that thread was locked. Mookie (assuming he wasn’t a troll) wasn’t going to get help from anything in that thread, and locking was the only good solution. I hope this thread gets locked too. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/108 "2009-12-12T21:41:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And yet AGAIN, no one’s saying you have to be “aw, poor baby!” But once again, hello, excluded middle? Jesus, people. Excluded middle? Have you seen the crap that’s been spewed in this thread about Buckety and Chessic? They’re bigoted, closed hearted, mean spirited, cruel, potentially mentally ill pricks who pick on the weak to make themselves feel stronger and that’s just halfway down page one. Seems one group wants very badly to eliminate any possible middle. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/109 "2009-12-12T21:49:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You know this how? > **statsman1982** , have we ever seen a picture of **ivn1188** by the way? EVERYTIME someone brings up the “fatties and middle-aged fugglies” crap I always ask for THEIR pictures. I have yet to see a single photo. > > I think it should be a rule. Nope, never seen him/her. And I go to the Doper Picture Gallery pretty often. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/110 "2009-12-12T21:59:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **statsman1982** , have we ever seen a picture of **ivn1188** by the way? EVERYTIME someone brings up the “fatties and middle-aged fugglies” crap I always ask for THEIR pictures. I have yet to see a single photo. > > I think it should be a rule. Of course you think it should be a rule. That’s because you’re sort of retarded. See, the thing that amuses me is that posters like you just cannot grasp the concept that I really don’t care about “hypocrisy” or “being an asshole”, nor do I have anything to prove to you. I’m not vying for the doper feel-good seal of approval, nor am I offering constructive criticism to make the world a better place; I do enough in real life that I don’t feel the need to console some whiny tard on the internet. My happiness is pretty much orthogonal to what you think. If you post stupid shit, I’ll call you on it. I’m not trying to win you over and make it all better. Frankly, I don’t even remember most of the faceless mass of posters who cry about mean people and follow me around calling me a dick in futile attempts to make me see the error of my ways or whatever their goal is. Oh yes, here’s a pic that you can use to imagine me if you like: [here you go](http://www.missioncontrol-fx.co.uk/mission/images/MustardMan_big.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/111 "2009-12-12T22:03:59Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > If you post stupid shit, I’ll call you on it. I’m not trying to win you over and make it all better. Frankly, I don’t even remember most of the faceless mass of posters who cry about mean people and follow me around calling me a dick in futile attempts to make me see the error of my ways or whatever their goal is. So, Basically, you are here to hear yourself bloviate ? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/112 "2009-12-12T22:09:34Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > So, > > Basically, you are here to hear yourself bloviate ? No, there are posters here who aren’t boring whiny wankers. You’re not one of those, though. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/113 "2009-12-12T22:17:49Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Explain to me how you can say > “I believe you are lying about your illness in order to seek attention” > or > “I am sorry for your illness but your behavior is both counterproductive and annoying” > > In a helpful non-judgmental manner? > > Or according to you these statements are obviously forbidden as soon as someone claims metal illness? “I am sorry for your illness, but I find your behavior counterproductive” Expresses empathy and doesn’t use negative language. This assumes that the reader believes the poster. Obviously, if you think someone is lying, then somebody might say something like your first comment. But that’s not what happened in this thread. A few self righteous fucktards decided that it would be fun to pick on someone who at least may have some issues to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/114 "2009-12-12T22:19:25Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > No, there are posters here who aren’t boring whiny wankers. You’re not one of those, though. Irony alert. Boring, whiny wankers describes you to a “T”, IVN. Please do keep filling us up with delicious irony. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/115 "2009-12-12T22:28:43Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > But that’s not what happened in this thread. A few self righteous fucktards decided that it would be fun to pick on someone who at least may have some issues to deal with. It actually IS what happened in this thread because right off the bat the OP said he believed **mookie** was a troll. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/116 "2009-12-12T22:34:41Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Irony alert. > > Boring, whiny wankers describes you to a “T”, IVN. > > Please do keep filling us up with delicious irony. It must be difficult for you to have to follow me around and call me names all the time. I feel hurt that you aren’t criticizing me without expressing empathy and that you are using negative language. I forgive you, though. Your mental handicaps shine through in every post you make, and I understand and appreciate your difficulties with posting interesting and insightful things. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/117 "2009-12-12T22:36:41Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > It must be difficult for you to have to follow me around and call me names all the time. I feel hurt that you aren’t criticizing me without expressing empathy and that you are using negative language. You’re in a thread I started posting in. Stop stalking me. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/118 "2009-12-12T22:36:53Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Of course you think it should be a rule. That’s because you’re sort of retarded. See, the thing that amuses me is that posters like you just cannot grasp the concept that I really don’t care about “hypocrisy” or “being an asshole”, nor do I have anything to prove to you. I’m not vying for the doper feel-good seal of approval, nor am I offering constructive criticism to make the world a better place; I do enough in real life that I don’t feel the need to console some whiny tard on the internet. My happiness is pretty much orthogonal to what you think. > > If you post stupid shit, I’ll call you on it. I’m not trying to win you over and make it all better. Frankly, I don’t even remember most of the faceless mass of posters who cry about mean people and follow me around calling me a dick in futile attempts to make me see the error of my ways or whatever their goal is. > > Oh yes, here’s a pic that you can use to imagine me if you like: > [here you go](http://www.missioncontrol-fx.co.uk/mission/images/MustardMan_big.jpg) Heh. Good call, **Guin.** ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/119 "2009-12-12T22:40:05Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > But that’s not what happened in this thread. A few self righteous fucktards decided that it would be fun to pick on someone who at least may have some issues to deal with. Could you explain what makes them self righteous fucktards and you somehow not? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921/120 "2009-12-12T22:42:21Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Could you explain what makes them self righteous fucktards and you somehow not? Heh, good luck with that. Taco has a problem with logic and other stuff like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-i-saw-a-loser-that-made-me-so-mad/520921.md?page=7)