# Today, We Have Killer In Whitehouse **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [October 30, 2004, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996 "2004-10-30T07:53:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jabotinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jabotinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabotinsky)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/1 "2004-10-30T07:53:29Z")
In 1963, Laura Welch was dating a young schoolmate name Michael Douglas. Laura ran a stop sign and hit a car driven “coincidentally” by that boyfriend, and killed Michael. Ms. Welch – who later married an alcoholic, and whose 2 children have each been arrested repeatedly for alcohol related incidents – is reported to have been sober. No tests were performed. Ms. Welch received NO CITATION although the accident was attributed to her recklessness. Laura Welch married George W. Bush and has been the First Lady since her husband lost the 2000 election by 1/2 million votes. [http://www.childbutcher.com/laura\_bush.htm](http://www.childbutcher.com/laura_bush.htm) or more mainstream [http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm](http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm) * * * Link to Cecil’s Column: [Have we ever had a killer in the White House?](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041029.html) – CKDH ---
**Author:** ![rhettbutler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rhettbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhettbutler)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/2 "2004-10-30T10:29:26Z")
That first page you linked to seems to be making the claim that the headlight configuration on the 1962 Corvair is unique, and that therefore she could have recognized his car and aimed for him specifically. But [the Snopes article](http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp) on this subject says the headlight configuration was typical, with a picture to show what it looked like. Personally, I have no idea either way, but Snopes is usually pretty reliable. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/3 "2004-10-30T10:29:36Z")
Man, you are so out of touch. Everybody knows she’s in the_Illuminati_. That little car wreck pales in comparison the the hits she’s carried out for them… ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/4 "2004-10-30T12:27:22Z")
Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, **jabotinsky** , we’re glad to have you with us. When you start a thread commenting on one of Cecil’s columns, it’s helpful if you provide a link to that column. Yes, I know, it’s the column that’s currently on the front page, but in a week or so it will vanish into the massive Archives. So, to make life easier for other readers and to save search time, we ask that you provide the link in the first post. No biggie, you’ll know for next time, and, as I say, welcome! ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/5 "2004-10-30T16:44:05Z")
hijacking here… but if we extend the field to everyone who works in the white house, the odds become a lot higher. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/6 "2004-10-30T16:50:37Z")
Hey **Dex** you’d think there’d be a way to make it known before a thread even could be started in this forum that a link needs to be provided. It’s not that I don’t enjoy your company in all of these threads but your posts are getting a bit redundant. ah well…as long as you enjoy it, I guess we can deal with it. 😉 Killers in the Whitehouse? :eek: Hell, I thought it was a requirement. Let me see your pass…yeah you’re okay go on in. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/7 "2004-10-30T19:05:31Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Hey **Dex** you’d think there’d be a way to make it known before a thread even could be started in this forum that a link needs to be provided. > It’s not that I don’t enjoy your company in all of these threads but your posts are getting a bit redundant. > **[When you start a thread, please include a link to the Straight Dope column](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=103596)** > > Welcome to the SDMB, and thank thee for posting thy comment. Please include a link to Cecil’s column if it’s on the straight dope web site. To include a link, it can be as simple as including the web page location in thy post (make sure there is a... ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/8 "2004-10-30T19:43:38Z")
**Jimmy** yeah I know all about that…but nobody sees that apparently because Dex is always having to come in and do this for folks. I’m talking about a required link button. Anyone submitting a new thread to this forum or staff reports, the browser would ask them to submit the link before it **would** even post a new thread. Kinda like asking for a username and/or password in order to search. I know it’d probably be too much trouble and besides… **Dex** needs to get out more anyway. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/9 "2004-10-31T03:43:15Z")
Just shows us that Nader was right about the Corvair. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/10 "2004-10-31T08:10:29Z")
Are we sure Grant never killed anyone in battle? After all, he started the Civil War at a fairly low rank - Lt. Colonel, maybe - which was still a front line position. I actually remember accounts of higher ranks, even Generals, leading charges with sabre and revolver in hand, so it’s certainly possible. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/11 "2004-10-31T09:23:25Z")
I heard once (sorry, no cite) that Truman once accidentally shot and killed a classmate while practicing with a rifle. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/12 "2004-10-31T10:46:45Z")
> [@Dr. Rieux](#): > > Just shows us that Nader was right about the Corvair. 😉 Nader has never been right about anything, especially the Corvair. That little car was ahead of its time and is now pretty much a collector’s item. ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/13 "2004-10-31T13:38:41Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > hijacking here… but if we extend the field to everyone who works in the white house, the odds become a lot higher. 😉 Not to mention spouses and family members of people who work in the White House. (The First Lady isn’t a public official, after all-she’s just along for the ride …) ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/14 "2004-10-31T16:15:06Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Hey Dex you’d think there’d be a way to make it known before a thread even could be started in this forum that a link needs to be provided. > It’s not that I don’t enjoy your company in all of these threads but your posts are getting a bit redundant If yo’re getting bored by my repetitions, **t-keela,** , imagine how I feel. There’s a sticky warning people to do it. Anyone reading a few threads would see that it’s done, or would see me correcting someone. And yet, and yet, … We’re not about to make any changes that involve programming. We just don’t have the resources. A pop-up question that says, “Did you post a link to the column?” doesn’t seem on. So, I just gonna wind up repeating myself. Like history. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/15 "2004-10-31T17:06:02Z")
Oh I understand completely **Dex** … me bored with your posts, no way, never, not me but new software…programming…bite your tongue…my old man always said, “if it works, don’t fix it!” kinda like having killers in the Whitehouse 😉 BTW: How many times have you posted that same message and isn’t it tantamount to post padding? How 'bout keeping count…that’d keep it interesting…you could post it “reminder #1234…” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/16 "2004-10-31T20:08:37Z")
You could always put a sentence under the “Comment on this answer” link that says something like “Please include the URL for this article (insert URL here) in your comment.” ---
**Author:** ![jack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cc9497/32.png) [@jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/17 "2004-10-31T20:35:53Z")
1. Grant didn’t spend much time below the general rank in the Civil War, and didn’t see any fighting as a colonel. The one time his regiment advanced on a confederate position, the confederates abandoned the position without a fight. He was a brigader general by July 1861, and after Ft. Donelson in February of 1862, a major general, which greatly llimited the chance that he would come under fire. However, he served as a lieutenant and captain in front-line units in the Mexican War, and so it’s quite possible that he killed someone. 2. What, no mention of Bill Clinton?!?!?! Didn’t Rush Limbaugh PROVE that Bill (or maybe Hillary, I forget) killed Vince Foster? Plus hundreds of other people at the Whitewater massacre? ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/18 "2004-11-01T19:03:17Z")
Just a correction to the OP. G.W. Bush did not lose the 2000 election by 1/2 million votes. Although Al Gore received 543,895 more votes than Bush did, that is irrelevant. Bush received 271 Electoral College votes to the 266 Electoral College votes that Gore received. Bush therefore won by a margin of five Electoral College votes. The historical context, of course, is that Bush won by a margin of five \*\*very disputed \*\* Electoral College votes that he garnered by receiving more of the popular votes in the \*\*heavily disputed \*\* Florida recount, which gave him 25 Electoral College votes. Just trying to fight ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/19 "2004-11-02T00:23:40Z")
> [@jack](#): > > Didn’t Rush Limbaugh PROVE that Bill (or maybe Hillary, I forget) killed Vince Foster? To be fair, Limbaugh usually has enough sense to steer clear of the real raving nutter conspiracy theories about Vince Foster and how she\* was murdered. \*(The conspiracy theorists seem pretty sure that Hillary 1)was having an affair with Foster and 2)is a lesbian, ergo…) ---
**Author:** ![audiobottle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@audiobottle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audiobottle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996/20 "2004-11-02T04:01:01Z")
You guys are all ignoring the important part here. Michael Douglas died! Catherine Zeta-Jones, come to me… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/today-we-have-killer-in-whitehouse/271996.md?page=2)