# Todd Bertuzzi: Coward, Punk, Criminal, NHL Star **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678 "2005-08-12T01:37:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/41 "2005-08-12T23:03:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Since I am not a Leafs fan - I sir, am a **hockey fan** , and thus would never cheer for the Leafs - I guess we can discount your entire post. There’s no worse insult to a Sens fan then to be called a Leaf fan. ---
**Author:** ![Hodge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Hodge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hodge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/42 "2005-08-12T23:14:05Z")
> [@Dooku](#): > > Well, they _did_ add rules to prevent this type of enforcement. They beefed up the Instigator rule, for one: Any player who instigates a fight in the final five minutes gets a game misconduct, an automatic one-game suspension and a $10,000 fine. The suspension and fine doubles for every incident after that. This will certainly cut down on those final-minute fiascos but it hardly addresses the root of the problem which is that fighting is allowed at all. There was a time in my mis-spent youth when I loved nothing better than watching Domi and Probert duke it out but, over the years, I’ve become increasingly intolerant of these sideshows. They interrupt the flow of the game and, in the worst cases, things get out of control and people get hurt. A ban on fighting is long overdue. > [@Dooku](#): > > They also added zero tolerance on clutch/grabbing, interference, and hooking / holding obstruction. Of course that’s always been there, but they’re saying the refs are going to strictly enforce it now. We’ll see about that. Heh. Every fucking year they say they’re going to crack down on obstruction penalties and every fucking year they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Hodge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Hodge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hodge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/43 "2005-08-12T23:15:07Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > There’s no worse insult to a Sens fan then to be called a Leaf fan. No accounting for taste, I guess (Laffs fan & proud of it). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/44 "2005-08-12T23:18:07Z")
> [@Hodge](#): > > He’s still a thug and should be suspended for life, if not thrown in jail for assault. I don’t just blame Bertuzzi, though, I also blame the NHL for fostering this type of behaviour by allowing the use of thugs and enforcers to engage in tit-for-tat retribution. Don’t forget that Moore sparked this particular piece of nastiness himself, when he elbowed Marcus Naslund. Bertuzzi was out for revenge whether he tripped on a stick or not. My NHL knowledge is outpaced by a lot of posters here, but Bertuzzi is not a thug or an enforcer. As somebody else said. I don’t think an enforcer would have done what he did, intentional or not. ---
**Author:** ![pand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@pand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pand)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/45 "2005-08-12T23:23:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Since I am not a Leafs fan - I sir, am a **hockey fan** , and thus would never cheer for the Leafs - I guess we can discount your entire post. > > But as much as I despite the Leafs, as much as I think Tie Domi is a thug and a disgrace to hockey, no Leaf has ever been as much of a scum sucking cheap shot artist as Todd Bertuzzi. That’s Miss, thank you. Team affilition regardless, you’re an ass for assuming you know what every Canucks fan is thinking, and insulting them all in one petulant post. I dismiss people who think they’re omniscient and preach absurd, insulting generalities. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/46 "2005-08-12T23:29:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > My NHL knowledge is outpaced by a lot of posters here, but Bertuzzi is not a thug or an enforcer. As somebody else said. I don’t think an enforcer would have done what he did, intentional or not. You’re essentially correct. Bertuzzi is not an enforcer. He was for a while with the Islanders and Canucks, but the Canucks traded someone (I think Brashear) and Bertuzzi morphed into just about the best pure power forward in the game. He still has a short fuse though. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/47 "2005-08-13T00:02:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > no Leaf has ever been as much of a scum sucking cheap shot artist as Todd Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi has a track record of one incident. Marchment has what 5 or 6 cheapshots under his belt. It is almost like he doesn’t know how to hit except knee to knee. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/48 "2005-08-13T01:13:03Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > Bertuzzi has a track record of one incident. Marchment has what 5 or 6 cheapshots under his belt. It is almost like he doesn’t know how to hit except knee to knee. And didn’t Darcy Tucker do a knee to knee with Michael Peca during the playoffs a couple of years ago? I may be remembering that wrong, but I’m very sure a Leaf took out Peca at the knee. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2005, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/49 "2005-08-13T02:09:32Z")
It was a clip, not a knee-on-knee, but it was an ugly hit. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678/50 "2005-08-13T03:36:21Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > Bertuzzi has a track record of one incident. Surely you jest. This was Bertuzzi’s third serious suspension in the NHL, and in the OHL he served a suspension for kicking, the ultimate punk penalty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/todd-bertuzzi-coward-punk-criminal-nhl-star/316678.md?page=2)