# Token chinese **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [November 23, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635 "2024-11-23T01:03:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/101 "2024-11-24T21:41:16Z")
> [@Loggins](#): > > I have to repeat; the chinese are our enemy. They attack infrastructure in my scandinavian country on a regular basis I agree and I’m still pissed about the Chinese piano player at the White House and making President Obama wait on the tarmac for an hour. Those acts are dwarfed by the real damage they’ve caused around the globe. The latest would be the damage done by commercial vessels dragging their anchors over cables. I’m thinking Star Trek TOS. Red shirt the Chinese actors. I’d also add some “Charlie Chan” backdrop characters who are not Chinese just to further rub their nose in it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/102 "2024-11-24T21:44:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I agree and I’m still pissed about the Chinese piano player at the White House and making President Obama wait on the tarmac for an hour. What Chinese piano player and what did that have to do with President Obama? I don’t remember any of this. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/103 "2024-11-24T21:48:44Z")
It’s a paranoid fantasy. You haven’t heard about it because you’re not a paranoid, racist nutcase. > **[How pianist Lang Lang stirred up trouble for US and China at a White House...](https://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/World/Global-News/2011/0126/How-pianist-Lang-Lang-stirred-up-trouble-for-US-and-China-at-a-White-House-State-dinner)** > > To Lang Lang it was a beautiful melody. To US conservatives and Chinese nationalists his musical selection conveyed a slight snub – underscoring how sensitive relations between the US and China are. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/104 "2024-11-24T21:52:05Z")
Thanks for that non-story but how did that cause the president to have to wait on the tarmac for an hour? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/105 "2024-11-24T21:59:35Z")
I’m sorry, I’m only willing to peel back one layer of Magiver’s paranoid fantasies a day. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/106 "2024-11-25T01:12:23Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > It’s a paranoid fantasy. You haven’t heard about it because you’re not a paranoid, racist nutcase. The song is based on a song called “My Motherland” from the movie "Battle\_on\_Shangganling\_Mountain which is a film about a Chinese victory in the Korean War. From your own cite: We have a perfect example of that this week in US-[China](https://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/China) relations. Conservative commentators in the US and the most rabid nationalists in [China](https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Topics/China) share the view that Chinese pianist [Lang Lang](https://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Lang+Lang) dissed America with a piano piece he played at the state dinner [President Obama](https://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Barack+Obama) hosted for [President Hu Jintao](https://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Hu+Jintao) last Wednesday. You can believe a Chinese citizen/professional musician didn’t know he was playing a song from a military movie. You can believe he didn’t know that Chinese nationals would see it as a snub to the United States and our President. That’s your purgative. but it’s far from paranoid to suggest it was deliberate. China is actively provoking conflict with their neighbors and actively attempts to coerce it’s own people politically. As for the tarmac snub the Chinese government claimed miscommunication issues when they didn’t bring stairs to meet AF-1. The US requested an English speaking rider in the stairs-truck. this is not some last minute change of events. Such things are worked out well in advance. President Obama ended up using the built in lower stairs that are unique to the plane to disembark. Considering the presidential support group carries a set of stairs for this use the Chinese claim lacks any basis of fact. [Cite showing pictures of previous arrival of President Obama in 2014 and the one in 2016 where he was forced to use the lower stairs](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3774735/Was-Obama-snubbed-arrival-China-real-reason-president-disembarked-Air-Force-One-using-built-hatch-steps-usually-reserved-high-security-situations.html). ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/107 "2024-11-25T02:18:41Z")
I will leave it for others to judge whether your reading of that article is anything other than fucking insane. YOU might want to take a purgative. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/108 "2024-11-25T02:55:44Z")
I keep wondering why the OP keeps talking about their scandinavian country. I don’t know what that would be. Now, a Scandinavian country OTOH… Yeah, they’re just a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/109 "2024-11-25T03:00:48Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You can believe he didn’t know that Chinese nationals would see it as a snub to the United States and our President. That’s your purgative. but it’s far from paranoid to suggest it was deliberate. You’ve got to be shitting me. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/110 "2024-11-25T03:04:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > m thinking Star Trek TOS. Red shirt the Chinese actors. I’d also add some “Charlie Chan” backdrop characters who are not Chinese just to further rub their nose in it. Well, at least he isn’t bothering to try to conceal his racism. That something, I guess, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/111 "2024-11-25T03:06:02Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > That’s your purgative. > > You’ve got to be shitting me. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/112 "2024-11-25T03:34:55Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I will leave it for others to judge whether your reading of that article is anything other than fucking insane. Your cite said Chinese nationals saw it as an insult. It fits with their malevolent political behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/113 "2024-11-25T03:42:36Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Well, at least he isn’t bothering to try to conceal his racism. It was intended as an insult to a regime with interment camps for Uyghurs. I have no respect for the current Chinese government and how they treat their own citizens and their surrounding neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/114 "2024-11-25T03:47:36Z")
It says that extreme nationalists did. Like idiotic extreme nationalists in the US see things that aren’t there. Or pull things out of their asses, like you are. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/115 "2024-11-25T03:59:24Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > It says that extreme nationalists did. Like idiotic extreme nationalists in the US see things that aren’t there. Who do you think is running China now? Again, they have internment camps to reeducate their own citizens. They track every aspect of social life. This is not a free nation. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/116 "2024-11-25T04:05:13Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Who do you think is running China now? Again, they have internment camps to reeducate their own citizens. They track every aspect of social life. This is not a free nation. I’m married to a Chinese-American with family in China. I’ve been there numerous times, on business and pleasure. My wife was in Tiananmen Square when shit went down. I know a thousand times more about China than you do, you idiot. China has gone backwards in human rights and freedom in the last ten years, and the starting point was pretty horrible. Everyone knows this, no one is denying this. It still doesn’t mean that your idiotic imaginings are worth anything more than mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/117 "2024-11-25T04:08:26Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > China has gone backwards in human rights and freedom in the last ten years, and the starting point was pretty horrible. Everyone knows this, no one is denying this. Having said how horrible human rights are there you of all people should be aware of the physical harassment China has engaged in on the world stage. I leave you to your token Chinese support. Best of luck if you’re visiting there when the shit hits the fan. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/118 "2024-11-25T04:12:57Z")
Who is supporting or even defending China? You’re living in a fantasy world. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/119 "2024-11-25T04:21:50Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Who is supporting or even defending China? You. When you consider insults to your own country as fantasy when they are physically harassing their own neighbors. Insults are the lesser side of the same coin. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635/120 "2024-11-25T04:25:04Z")
You’re imagining things. The Chinese government has done bad things, very, very bad things. It doesn’t mean you can make up shit about them and when we point out that you’re making shit up, you can jump out and call us apologists for the PRC. If I claim that the Manson family is out to murder me, and you tell me there’s no evidence of that, are you all of a sudden a Manson supporter? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/token-chinese/1010635.md?page=7)