# Tolkien Fan Entmoot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth\ **Created:** [February 12, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328 "2008-02-12T20:38:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/1 "2008-02-12T20:38:04Z")
I tend to notice many of the frequent posters to Tolkien threads or those with Tolkien related names. This is the short list I have: \*\*artemis athelas bbs2k Captain Carrot Cyn eleanorigby Elendil’s Heir Eonwe Ethilrist fachverwirrt flight furryman jayjay Kat Lightray Malacandra Phlosphr Polycarp Qadgop the Mercotan Sauron ShadowFacts Struan Telperien vison well he’s back Whack-a-Mole \*\* Who did I miss and to everybody what draws you to the Professor’s world enough to talk about it on the SDMB? Jim ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/2 "2008-02-12T20:43:01Z")
Add me to the list, but I tend to lurk rather than post simply because, as a run-of-the-mill “guy who’s read the books ten times and owns a bunch of scholarly works on Tolkien,” I’m in _way_ out of my depth with **QtM** and company. But I always read with interest, and frequently go back to my books confirming new trivia and insights I pick up here. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/3 "2008-02-12T20:43:15Z")
I can only speak for myself. I’m an otherworld geek. Believe me, if we had long, substantive discussions of the history of Toril, Westeros, Xanth, Wheel of Time, Phaze, (classic) Shadowrun, White Wolf games (Vampire, Mage, Changeling, Werewolf), etc., I’d be in there, too. Middle-Earth just has more detail and a more fully realized history than most of those. (Note that I haven’t even actually _played_ most of the ones that come from games…I just had a jones for sourcebooks back in the Golden Age of RPG) ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/4 "2008-02-12T20:48:10Z")
Put me in there too. ---
**Author:** ![Cheez\_Whia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@Cheez\_Whia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheez_Whia)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/5 "2008-02-12T20:49:35Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] Add me to the list, but I tend to lurk rather than post simply because, as a run-of-the-mill “guy who’s read the books ten times and owns a bunch of scholarly works on Tolkien,” I’m in _way_ out of my depth with **QtM** and company. But I always read with interest, and frequently go back to my books confirming new trivia and insights I pick up here. 🆒 [/QUOTE] What he said! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/6 "2008-02-12T21:05:06Z")
I didn’t answer the question myself I suppose. I love Middle Earth. I love the extreme detail, the creation myth, the fact that this work really got the fantasy genre off and running, the fact that it is the primary source for the original D&D. I love the epic breath, the languages, the races, the love and that the hero was not a strong warrior but rather a very brave person. I love the fact that in the end, he was not strong enough to complete the deed, but the compassion he felt for Sméagol is what saved the day. I love the brave warriors, the humor and wisdom of Gandalf and the banter between Gimli and Legolas. I love how Tolkien successful imparted to us his love of trees and nature. I love how he shows Aragorn’s and Arwen’s love. I love how he made us appreciate the hidden beauty of the glittering caves through Gimli’s eyes. The majesty of Minas Tirith. The fearsome dread of the long trek to Morder. I love the fact that Tolkien created a massive fairy tale in the Hobbit, made it extremely entertaining, and was able to connect that to the epic fantasy that was the Lord of the Rings and then connect all of it to his legends of the First Age. I love how Middle Earth was made via song and how Aüle grew impatient and created the Dwarves. I love Yavanna’s Ents. I love that Gandalf was Olórin in the far west and that he was the wisest of the Maiar and feared to take on the mission that he might fail. I even love “simple” Radagast who did not fail so much as take a different path. I love Shadowfax and Smaug. I love the fight between Gollum and Sméagol. I love it all. Jim ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/7 "2008-02-12T21:22:58Z")
I read the books the first time as a 13-year-old in 1973. I’ve loved them ever since. I often post in those threads, when there is something I can add that hasn’t already been covered in excruciating detail by **Qadgop the Mercotan** (who, I figure, probably rues the fact that E. E. “Doc” Smith is not anywhere near as popular on this Board…). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/8 "2008-02-12T21:28:18Z")
[QUOTE=DSYoungEsq] I read the books the first time as a 13-year-old in 1973. I’ve loved them ever since. I often post in those threads, when there is something I can add that hasn’t already been covered in excruciating detail by **Qadgop the Mercotan** (who, I figure, probably rues the fact that E. E. “Doc” Smith is not anywhere near as popular on this Board…). [/QUOTE] I am a huge fan of Doc Smith & Heinlein too. Strangely \*\*QtM \*\* is not a Heinlein fan. Always surprises me a bit. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/9 "2008-02-12T21:35:14Z")
I’ll second what What Exit said…I love it all. and I too read LOTR when I was in junior high back in the early 70s. I love reading the comments on it here, the other points of view. I always open LOTR threads. I often post in them, in a middling sort of way. BTW, it was the “If LOTR had been written by someone else” thread that brought me over to the SDMB in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/10 "2008-02-12T21:39:03Z")
I got sucked in a bit at a time. When I was ~7, my parents found I’d read stuff like Narnia, and so got every sort-of related book they could find. So I read the Hobbit, and enjoyed it. Years later, found out Tolkien had written _more_. Imagine that. Read LotR. Later still, used book store – wot’s this? Silmarillion! Then found D&D, with dwarves and elves and hobb… er, _halflings_ and such. Lead into worldbuilding as DM – where everyone cribbed from Tolkien. Eventually, into conlangs… and back to Tolkien. But I’m not a serious scholar: I only have _some_ of Chris Tolkien’s books. maybe most of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Ol\_Gaffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ol\_Gaffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ol_Gaffer)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/11 "2008-02-12T22:08:25Z")
I read them for the first time during the summer after 6th grade as I moped around the house as only a 12-year-old with a broken arm can do. I had read _The Hobbit_ previously but was completely taken by _LOTR_. Over the ensuing 20+ years I have read them at fairly regular intervals, maybe every three years or so. It is like a visit from a dear, old friend. At this point, the books have become much like a hobbit house - _comfortable_. Although my knowledge of the arcana and minutiae of the Tolkien Universe is somewhat legendary to my less-sophisticated friends, it, admittedly, pales in comparison to the giants who tread among us here. I have, however, amassed a nice little Tolkien collection over the years. While I used to be a bit more active, I collect pretty much anything associated with the good Professor that isn’t a movie tie-in. Nothing too rare (no 1st/1st editions or anything) but I do have a copy of _English and Medieval Studies, presented to J. R. R. Tolkien on the occasion of his 70th birthday_, edited by Norman Davis and C. L. Wrenn, 1962 which includes the poem “A Short Ode to a Philologist” by W.H. Auden. My username is also from the Tolkien-universe. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/12 "2008-02-12T22:28:30Z")
I’m a huge Tolkien fan! I almost never post in those threads, however, as I’m _WAY_ out of my depth compared to some others. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/13 "2008-02-12T22:29:25Z")
Good grief, overlooked again. Nobody knows what it’s like to be the bad elf. Like many others, I was drawn in when I was quite young. I went to the show for the epic heroism, and I stayed for the medieval languages. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/14 "2008-02-12T22:46:30Z")
Compared to normal people I’m a huge Tolkien fan. Compared to some of you freaks I’m a piker. Read the Hobbit and LOTR when I was about 12. I have read many books since but they are on the short list of books I have read more than once. It’s been years since I reread them so I guess I’m due. Never could read any of the other books. They read like boring history texts to me. Loved the movies. ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/15 "2008-02-12T22:46:53Z")
[QUOTE=Maeglin] Good grief, overlooked again. Nobody knows what it’s like to be the bad elf. Like many others, I was drawn in when I was quite young. I went to the show for the epic heroism, and I stayed for the medieval languages. [/QUOTE] Maeglin, I know someone who has written an HUGE fanfic about a “bad elf”. It’s wonderful writing, too, but since she is using Tolkien’s universe, it can’t be published except on a fan website. Too bad. I keep telling her to alter it, make it her own, and get it published, but so far, no luck. She doesn’t use the name Maeglin, but he was her jumping off point. So you aren’t always overlooked. And remember it’s sometimes a good thing to be overlooked. I read LOTR in 1966 for the 1st time. I’ve read it 3 or 4 times a year every year since then and when I stop to do THAT arithmetic I think, “Gawd, woman, didn’t you have a life at all?” My youngest son, who was an internet geek from pretty early days of the WWW, hounded me into visiting the “official movie website” and I did, in late 1999, and one thing led to another and here we are. I have read The Hobbit a few times. I think it’s OK but to be honest, if I had read it first, I would never have read LOTR. I’ve toiled through the Sil about a dozen times, but I can’t love it much. I don’t collect books about Tolkien or other books by him. I think LOTR is a masterpiece, and that nothing else he wrote was. It’s a wonderful story, wonderfully told. After all this time and all these readings it still moves me deeply. Now and again I feel obliged to say, “Thank you, PJ, for making the movies”. Not that I think they were good, but I’ve had such a great time over the years because of first joining that LOTR fansite. (The movies had their good bits, I admit. He certainly got “the look of the thing” right.) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/16 "2008-02-12T23:13:45Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I am a huge fan of Doc Smith & Heinlein too. Strangely \*\*QtM \*\* is not a Heinlein fan. Always surprises me a bit. [/QUOTE] I’m not? 😕 Sez who? I’ve read virtually all his stuff, and enjoyed it a lot. But I don’t consider him quite ‘top shelf’ anymore, due to “Number of the Beast” and a few subsequent works. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/17 "2008-02-12T23:16:25Z")
[QUOTE=DSYoungEsq] **Qadgop the Mercotan** (who, I figure, probably rues the fact that E. E. “Doc” Smith is not anywhere near as popular on this Board…). [/QUOTE] Nope. I enjoy basking in the ‘inscrutible’ aura the name provides. 😉 I worry that PJ will start making “Lensman” movies, and it’ll suddenly become the next fad. Tho I would enjoy seeing PJ’s treatment of Qadgop. Part Balrog, part anteater? Anybody mention **Chronos** yet? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/18 "2008-02-12T23:43:09Z")
I nominate Terrifel, in the category of speculative [Tolkien](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9417662&postcount=9) [rewriting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9286336&postcount=39). ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/19 "2008-02-12T23:50:22Z")
I’m nowhere near the expert Qadgop is, but I’ll cop to being a fan. The books are simply thunderingly good reads. Even the Silmarillion. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/20 "2008-02-12T23:50:27Z")
Like most of the others who’ve posted to this thread so far, I was drawn to the richness of Tolkein’s invented world. Milddle earth feels real, in a way that no other fantasy universe I’ve ever encountered does. (First reading the books in my early teens no doubt helped get me hooked as well. Most of the major Tolkien geeks I’ve met first encounterd LoTR as teenagers.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328.md?page=2)