# Tolkien Fan Entmoot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth\ **Created:** [February 12, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328 "2008-02-12T20:38:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/261 "2022-03-28T12:53:00Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Kalimac Brandagamba is Merry’s actually name in Westron but Tolkien translated it to Meriadoc Brandybuck. > > Remember, the idea is the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings are translated from the Red Book of Westmarch. Also as a leading philologist, The Good Professor loved languages. Very cool. “Do what you love and you won’t work a day in your life.” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/262 "2022-03-28T15:11:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I’ll share my own old joke from the time of the Troubles: [… snip …] > > The bruiser is a bit taken aback at first, but then he snarls, “Are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?” The one I know takes place on a dark street and ends with “I must be the luckiest Palestinian in Belfast…” > [@psychonaut](#): > > I used to be quite active on the rec.arts.books.tolkien newsgroup on Usenet (which, by the way, is still active). Anyone else from here currently or formerly active there? In like 1995 or so. That and alt.fan.pratchett ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/263 "2022-03-28T15:36:46Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The one I know takes place on a dark street and ends with “I must be the luckiest Palestinian in Belfast…” LOL - thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/264 "2022-03-28T21:56:19Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Kalimac Brandagamba is Merry’s actually name in Westron You mean Adunaic? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/265 "2022-03-28T21:58:41Z")
Well if you’re going to be nitpicky about it, I meant Adûnaic. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/266 "2022-03-29T00:12:39Z")
Hey, did Legolas fight in the battle that saw Sauron defeated by Isildur? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/267 "2022-03-29T00:13:38Z")
Probably not. There is no mention of any of Thranduil’s people joining in that battle. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/268 "2022-03-29T00:23:51Z")
And I see no birthdate for Leggo, so I can’t tell if he was even alive at the time. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/269 "2022-03-29T01:02:03Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Hey, did Legolas fight in the battle that saw Sauron defeated by Isildur? > [@What\_Exit](#): > > There is no mention of any of Thranduil’s people joining in that battle. From the Tolkien Gateway’s [entry on Thranduil](http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Thranduil): > The Elves of Mirkwood joined the Last Alliance and in S.A. 3434, Thranduil followed his father and numerous lightly armed Elves in the War of the Last Alliance. In the Battle of Dagorlad, Oropher was slain in the first assault upon Mordor, “rushing forward at the head of his most doughty warriors before Gil-galad had given the signal for the advance.”[2] His son survived, but over the course of the war, two-thirds of his people had perished. After the Siege of Barad-dûr in S.A. 3441, when Sauron was defeated, Thranduil led the remainder of his people north back to the Woodland Realm, where he was crowned king.[2] The reference is to Unfinished Tales, “The History of Galadriel and Celeborn”, “Appendix B: The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves” No mention of when Legolas was born, or if he was present. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/270 "2022-03-29T01:23:54Z")
Thank you, I had missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/271 "2022-03-29T17:18:11Z")
Middle-earth travel posters: [Hobbiton - Nucleus | Art Gallery and Store](https://gallerynucleus.com/detail/31486/) Scroll down to see others. Quite striking! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/272 "2022-03-29T18:31:42Z")
They remind of the old Ace edition paperback covers from the Sixties. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/273 "2022-03-30T12:54:23Z")
Wow! Well, I know what I’m buying myself for my birthday. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/274 "2022-03-30T16:34:20Z")
Nice art, but a part of me resents that they’re just using the Weta imagery rather than original interpretations. It seems a little creatively depauperate somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/275 "2022-04-05T18:16:05Z")
A bright, distant star is given a Tolkienesque name: [WHL0137-LS - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHL0137-LS) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/276 "2022-04-05T20:53:28Z")
Please excuse my 12 year gap in responding to this thread. 😲 To answer various points in no particular order: - I’m a chap (my reference to being like an Entwife was that ‘nobody knew where I was’ (as I hadn’t been put on the original thread list) - my favourite character is Sam. He was a simple gardener, but he stuck to his task of helping Mr. Frodo… and even gave up the Ring! - I wrote to the Professor in the late sixties (I was a teenager riveted by LOTRO.) Sadly I don’t remember what I said. I got a polite typed reply soon after, signed by the man himself. 😍 It was on A5 paper; I don’t remember what it said … and I have mislaid it. 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/277 "2022-04-30T02:11:03Z")
It is written\* that Saruman and Grima had a sexual relationship, and that Saruman gave Grima the affectionate nickname Wormtongue because of some unspecified talent. \*by me. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/278 "2022-11-10T21:13:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Vambrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/aca169/32.png) [@Vambrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vambrace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/279 "2023-10-06T02:09:12Z")
I’m reading Barnes’ book _Tiw_, and in it he defines ‘moot’ like this: Moot, w. of a tree, the meeting of the roots, bottom of the stem. (p. 168) No mention of a stump. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/280 "2023-10-06T02:24:03Z")
Hi Vambrace, and welcome to the Straight Dope! Yes, Barnes’s definition in Tiw seems to be pretty much in line with [my previous link’s](https://lyndenlea.uk/about/poem.php) description of how Barnes himself defined “moot” [on p. 464 of his Poems of Rural Life in the Dorset Dialect,](https://archive.org/details/poemsrurallifein00barn/page/464/mode/2up) namely “the bottom and roots of a felled tree”. After all, the “meeting of the roots” and “bottom of the stem” is pretty much what you’ve got left over once you’ve felled a tree. That’s basically what a stump is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328.md?page=15)