# Tolkien Fan Entmoot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** middle-earth\ **Created:** [February 12, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328 "2008-02-12T20:38:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/141 "2008-02-19T01:09:07Z")
I am watching the Fellowship of the Ring and I was good until Arwen shows up glowing. Damn it Peter, she was born in the 3rd age, not under the trees, that was why you were suppose to leave Glorfindel in place. Thank you, I needed to vent without bugging the kids. I still love the Ford scene though. Nice job on the watery horses. Too bad it is immediately followed by more bad Arwen stuff. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/142 "2008-02-19T01:48:15Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I am watching the Fellowship of the Ring and I was good until Arwen shows up glowing. Damn it Peter, she was born in the 3rd age, not under the trees, that was why you were suppose to leave Glorfindel in place. Thank you, I needed to vent without bugging the kids. I still love the Ford scene though. Nice job on the watery horses. Too bad it is immediately followed by more bad Arwen stuff. Jim [/QUOTE] Just keep repeating “she’s an offspring of Luthien, she’s an offspring of Luthien” over and over again. I would have liked the Ford scene if Arwen had defied the ringwraiths by saying “By Elbereth and my foremother Luthien the Fair, you shall not claim him”. Oh well… [sub]I kinda liked Arwen acting more like Luthien, charging out to help her lover, rather than being so damn passive like in the whole book…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/143 "2008-02-19T02:09:08Z")
[QUOTE=Qadgop the Mercotan] Just keep repeating “she’s an offspring of Luthien, she’s an offspring of Luthien” over and over again. I would have liked the Ford scene if Arwen had defied the ringwraiths by saying “By Elbereth and my foremother Luthien the Fair, you shall not claim him”. Oh well… [/QUOTE] Thank you for the encouraging words. I do get silly about this. Well, we are past Arwen so I should be good for quite awhile now. We paused for the night as the doors of Moria opened. This is going to take all week. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/144 "2008-02-19T02:28:50Z")
[QUOTE=Qadgop the Mercotan] [sub]I kinda liked Arwen acting more like Luthien, charging out to help her lover, rather than being so damn passive like in the whole book…[/sub] [/QUOTE] me too (I suppose I’ll have to turn in my Secret Tolkien Decoder Ring, now I’ve admitted to liking some of the Arch-Heretic’s changes?) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/145 "2008-02-19T02:33:23Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] me too (I suppose I’ll have to turn in my Secret Tolkien Decoder Ring, now I’ve admitted to liking some of the Arch-Heretic’s changes?) [/QUOTE] Hey, JRRT kept re-writing his core ideas up until his death. If given world enough and time, he’d have gotten around to tightening up LOTR here and there too! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/146 "2008-02-19T02:34:12Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] me too (I suppose I’ll have to turn in my Secret Tolkien Decoder Ring, now I’ve admitted to liking some of the Arch-Heretic’s changes?) [/QUOTE] No, just say “_Mellon_” and enter, no need for a Secret Tolkien Decoder Ring, they are all powerless now anyway. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/147 "2008-02-19T04:33:01Z")
Now if we find that the Quenya for “melon” is _frend_… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/148 "2008-02-19T15:14:47Z")
Okay, my guess is that **glee** wrote to ask why, at the Gates of Moria, Gandalf says that “Merry, of all people, was on the right track,” when Merry actually didn’t say much of anything to help solve the problem. And Professor Tolkien’s letter in reply was an unrelenting torrent of profanity in Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, Quenya, Sindarin, Khudzul, Black Speech, Swamp Hobbit, Ent, Dog, and several languages invented on the spot for the express purpose of cursing **glee** out more thoroughly. That’s my guess anyway. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/149 "2008-02-19T15:48:49Z")
I liked some of Jackson’s changes, and overall loved the films. Now I just zip through the few really cringe-worthy moments. Although if someone absolutely hated the films, that’s their right. We’re all LOTR geeks together, I say. and more should post not just lurk. even if you don’t know as much as QtM I’m still interested in your opinion. and the Scouring was such a vital part of the whole saga. You know, LOTR doesn’t have a real strong villain character like Voldemort or Vader. Sauron is so amorphous. LOTR is more about fighting the evil within ourselves, which obviously comes into play when the Shire is corrupted. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/150 "2008-02-19T15:56:57Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] \ and the Scouring was such a vital part of the whole saga. You know, LOTR doesn’t have a real strong villain character like Voldemort or Vader. Sauron is so amorphous. LOTR is more about fighting the evil within ourselves, which obviously comes into play when the Shire is corrupted. [/QUOTE] Be that as it may, I still felt like the character at the end of a particular Guild Wars game tribute clip. First, [a tour](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pnqhD5cYQg) of the Kingdom of Ascalon before that fateful day. Now, [The Searing](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvWfj020-yA), didn’t you feel a bit like the character’s emote at the end of that clip when you read that the tree The Party was held under was torn down? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/151 "2008-02-19T16:14:09Z")
[QUOTE=well he’s back] I liked some of Jackson’s changes, and overall loved the films. Now I just zip through the few really cringe-worthy moments. Although if someone absolutely hated the films, that’s their right. We’re all LOTR geeks together, I say. [/QUOTE] The Orcs hatching bugs me too. But I love the landscaping. I love the look of the land. It comes close to my minds eye. > [@](#): > > and more should post not just lurk. even if you don’t know as much as QtM I’m still interested in your opinion. Hear, Hear! > [@](#): > > and the Scouring was such a vital part of the whole saga. You know, LOTR doesn’t have a real strong villain character like Voldemort or Vader. Sauron is so amorphous. LOTR is more about fighting the evil within ourselves, which obviously comes into play when the Shire is corrupted. I think that is why Peter played up Saruman, was to have an actual embodiment of evil. I was disappointed the the Scouring of the Shire was not done at all. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/152 "2008-02-19T17:15:08Z")
I may need to turn in my TokeinGeek card, but I didn’t miss the Scouring of the Shire from the films. I understand the importance of the chapter to the overall theme of the work…but hobbit-on-hobbit violence, and Saruman being called “Sharkey” is just sad and anti-climactic. Yes, I know it’s from the Black Speech “sharku” = old man. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/153 "2008-02-19T17:16:47Z")
And I didn’t like Tom Bombadil either! There! I’ve said it!! Ha ha!! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/154 "2008-02-19T17:19:43Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] And I didn’t like Tom Bombadil either! There! I’ve said it!! Ha ha!! [/QUOTE] Don’t worry on this one, in prior on board discussions, it appears that many do not like Tom. ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/155 "2008-02-19T18:03:32Z")
I love Tom, but I cringe when I think what PJ might have done to him, so it’s best the way it is. I thought the ending of the movies went on too long, too many farewells and _adieux_ and would have preferred the time spent there to have been spent elsewhere. But that’s ancient history now. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/156 "2008-02-19T18:56:32Z")
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**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/157 "2008-02-19T19:03:19Z")
Hello? I think I should be on that list… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/158 "2008-02-19T19:12:37Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] Hello? I think I should be on that list… [/QUOTE] Oops, sorry, I was afraid I missed some. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/159 "2008-02-19T21:25:14Z")
Wait, it was a love letter wasn’t it?! Yes, that’s what it must have been… A swoony _loooooove_ letter, all gooey and yearning, with the I’s dotted with little hearts, written while gazing fondly at a bedroom wall plastered with posters and glossy photos of the world’s dreamiest Oxford don. And Professor Tolkien’s letter in reply was an unrelenting torrent of profanity-- sexy, dirty talk that combed the erotic depths of the English language as only a master linguist can, then plunging into fresh seas of desire with bawdy rhymes in Quenya, Sindarin, Ent, Dog, Were-Worm, and several new languages invented on the spot solely for the purpose of turning **glee** on. Said letter followed almost instantly by a restraining order issued at the request of Mrs. Tolkien. ---
**Author:** ![NoCoolUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5fc32e/32.png) [@NoCoolUserName](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoCoolUserName)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328/160 "2008-02-19T21:44:11Z")
Forgot to answer the question in the OP [QUOTE=What Exit?] …what draws you to the Professor’s world enough to talk about it on the SDMB? Jim [/QUOTE] What draws me to Middle Earth is a) it’s not here, b) it’s beautiful and exotic, c) the characters are, for the most part, real individuals, with their own motivations, prejudices, etc. There are probably more reasons, but I’m not finding the words right now. The reason I enjoy joining the conversations about ME on the SMDB (however little I actually contribute) is there are always top quality folk posting here, both in personality and knowledge. My occasional comments are treated with respect, corrected with good humor and without condescension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fan-entmoot/437328.md?page=9)