# Tolkien fans: would it be far to call Gandalf a manipulative bastard?

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**Created:** [May 3, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fans-would-it-be-far-to-call-gandalf-a-manipulative-bastard/580628 "2011-05-03T22:09:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-fans-would-it-be-far-to-call-gandalf-a-manipulative-bastard/580628/41 "2011-05-04T19:36:35Z")

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> Bah…Gandalf was a non-dpsing waste of a raid slot.
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> \<insert Oak standard rant #27 re: Gandalf learning “Affect Normal Fires” but not “Fireball” ,“Lightning Bolt”, or anything else actually useful.\>

In many systems, DPSing is itself a waste of a raid slot. You do _not_ want to get the D&D nerds started on this one.

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