# Tolkien trivia contest **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 9, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963 "2006-04-09T15:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/81 "2006-04-10T15:24:53Z")
Oh Bugger. My question should be 35) What did Hurin cry out every time he slew another orc at Nirnaeth Arnoediad? (English and Elvish, please!) 1. Arien was the Maia of the Sun. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/82 "2006-04-10T15:55:52Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Oh Bugger. My question should be 35) What did Hurin cry out every time he slew another orc at Nirnaeth Arnoediad? (English and Elvish, please!) > > 1. Arien was the Maia of the Sun. Dang! I mean 34) Arien was the Maia of the Sun. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/83 "2006-04-10T16:11:36Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Dang! I mean 34) Arien was the Maia of the Sun. 3 straight posts and you’re not going to take a stab at my Hobbit Lineage Questions? 😉 Thanks on the Arien one, I looked it up to verify after I asked it. That was a fairly obsure Maia. I can’t quite answer your question but the English version was along the lines of “Day shall return”. I wouldn’t have remember that much if we weren’t talking about **Arien**. Jim ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/84 "2006-04-10T16:12:05Z")
Did anyone answer questions 15 & 16 “15) Who were the leaders of the company of 500 archers from the Blackroot Vale went to the aid of Minas Tirith during the War of the Ring? 16) what was another name for Blackroot Vale ?” If so, I can’t find it and am curious about the answers. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/85 "2006-04-10T16:20:54Z")
> [@well he's back](#): > > Did anyone answer questions 15 & 16 > “15) Who were the leaders of the company of 500 archers from the Blackroot Vale went to the aid of Minas Tirith during the War of the Ring? > 16) what was another name for Blackroot Vale ?” > > If so, I can’t find it and am curious about the answers. Isn’t Blackroot Vale the translation of Morthond, the valley that the Paths of the Dead exits into on the other side of the Dwimorberg? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/86 "2006-04-10T16:24:01Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Isn’t Blackroot Vale the translation of Morthond, the valley that the Paths of the Dead exits into on the other side of the Dwimorberg? Yes \*\*QtM \*\* answered it back very many posts, but he only got 1 of the 3 leaders of the archers. Jim ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/87 "2006-04-10T16:25:23Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7281257&postcount=17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7281257&postcount=17) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/88 "2006-04-10T16:52:35Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > 3 straight posts and you’re not going to take a stab at my Hobbit Lineage Questions? 😉 > Thanks on the Arien one, I looked it up to verify after I asked it. That was a fairly obsure Maia. > I can’t quite answer your question but the English version was along the lines of “Day shall return”. I wouldn’t have remember that much if we weren’t talking about **Arien**. > > Jim Sorry, a guy is bleeding in the next room, and I keep having to break away from this important stuff to do things to him. Frankly, I know Frodo’s dad is Drogo, but I can’t recall his mom’s name or Bilbo’s folks names at the moment. I’d have to meditate and see if I could call the names up, but no time. BTW, you got the english part right. Now just translate and conjugate the elvish verb correctly. 😃 1. How many times did Hurin cry this phrase? ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/89 "2006-04-10T17:03:44Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > 1. Name Bilbo’s Parents > 2. Name Frodo’s Parent > 3. Name Eleanor Fairbairn’s Parents 1. Belladonna Took and Bungo Baggins 2. Drogo and ? 3. Sam Gamgee and Rosie Cotton Not sure of the numbering, but here are a couple (more Hobbit lineage): 1. Who was Barrelrider? 2. Name the Three Remarkable Daughters of the Old Took 3. Why are the Tooks not as respectable as the Baggins? (not a trick question) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/90 "2006-04-10T17:51:02Z")
> [@Humble Servant](#): > > 1. Belladonna Took and Bungo Baggins > 2. Drogo and ? > 3. Sam Gamgee and Rosie Cotton > > Not sure of the numbering, but here are a couple (more Hobbit lineage): > > 1. Who was Barrelrider? > 2. Name the Three Remarkable Daughters of the Old Took > 3. Why are the Tooks not as respectable as the Baggins? (not a trick question) 33 is correct 1. Barrelrider was Master Bilbo Baggins himself 36a) Belladonna Took was one but I just gave away one of my own questions. 2. They had adventures. \*\*QtMs \*\* This one I know, The elvish I only know how to look up. 36) How many times did Hurin cry this phrase? [/QUOTE] This I remember. It was 70 strikes for 70 Trolls while waiting for the Sun to rise again. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/91 "2006-04-10T19:28:15Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Yes, I was looking for Gothmog … Ah, but it isn’t completely clear that Gothmog, who (IIRC) takes charge after the demise of the WKoA, is a Nazgul. Could be an Orc, or a Black Numenorean, or from Upper Rhun. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/92 "2006-04-10T19:29:32Z")
> [@Arien](#): > > 1. What was Celeborn’s, rather humorous to us, name in Quenya? Teleporno? ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/93 "2006-04-10T19:32:08Z")
> [@Humble Servant](#): > > 1. Belladonna Took and Bungo Baggins This is correct too, isn’t it? Or do you have some “Bungo was not Bilbo’s real father” conspiracy theory action going on?? (Geez, Belladonna was a livewire and all, but I never dreamed…) Your answers are correct:) (not completely complete on the Old Took’s daughters, natch). ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/94 "2006-04-10T19:37:39Z")
And…I just used my 1,000 post, after 5 years, to question Bilbo’s parentage! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/95 "2006-04-10T19:38:14Z")
> [@Humble Servant](#): > > This is correct too, isn’t it? Or do you have some “Bungo was not Bilbo’s real father” conspiracy theory action going on?? (Geez, Belladonna was a livewire and all, but I never dreamed…) > > Your answers are correct:) (not completely complete on the Old Took’s daughters, natch). You were correct on 31, sorry I missed it somehow. **jsc1953** Gothmog is commonly accepted as the name of the #2 Ringwraith, next we’ll be arguing over Balrog Wings. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/96 "2006-04-10T20:05:48Z")
> [@](#): > > jsc1953 Gothmog is commonly accepted as the name of the #2 Ringwraith, next we’ll be arguing over Balrog Wings. The only name ever given for any of the Ringwraiths is Khamul, the Shadow of the East, and it’s explicitly stated that he was #2 after the Witch-King. The Gothmog mentioned in _Return of the King_ might have been a Wraith, but if so, he was #3 at best. And **Qadgop** , I beat you to identifying Arien way back up in post 58. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/97 "2006-04-10T20:13:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And **Qadgop** , I beat you to identifying Arien way back up in post 58. Only by answering the question _before_ it was asked! Showoff!! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/98 "2006-04-10T20:14:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The only name ever given for any of the Ringwraiths is Khamul, the Shadow of the East, and it’s explicitly stated that he was #2 after the Witch-King. The Gothmog mentioned in _Return of the King_ might have been a Wraith, but if so, he was #3 at best…snip… Well, I guess there is a real debate over this: > [@ARDA](#): > > Notes > 1 Gothmog is mentioned precisely once in The Lord of the Rings, and we’re given absolutely no clues about his race. As second-in-command to the Lord of the Nazgûl himself, he clearly had very great authority over Sauron’s forces, and this has led some to suggest that Gothmog was also one of the Nazgûl. This by no means impossible, but it is notable that Frodo and Sam, who saw the Witch-king lead his armies from Minas Morgul, only observed one Nazgûl leading the host. > Others have speculated that Gothmog might have been a Man. We know that the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr was a Man (a descendant of the Black Númenóreans), so it seems perfectly plausible that the Lieutenant of Morgul might come from the same race. What’s more, the Witch-king’s companions, as seen by Frodo and Sam, do seem to have been Men. > > The idea of Gothmog being an Orc seems rather less likely, but even that possibility cannot be dismissed. Ultimately, there’s no hard evidence about Gothmog’s race. > > 2 The name Gothmog was originally given to a mighty Balrog of the Elder Days, one of the greatest servants of Morgoth the first Dark Lord. Its meaning is unclear, and several possibilities exist, such as ‘Dread Enforcer’, ‘Voice of Morgoth’ or ‘Black Master’. For more information on this topic, see the entry for the original Gothmog. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/99 "2006-04-10T20:29:58Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Well, I guess there is a real debate over this: I must admit that my opinion on the subject was primarily formed by the Encyclopedia of Arda article cited above…but from memory; I didn’t peek! And FWIW, Peter Jackson thinks he was an orc…assuming that the orcish commander in the movie was Gothmog. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963/100 "2006-04-10T20:50:16Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I must admit that my opinion on the subject was primarily formed by the Encyclopedia of Arda article cited above…but from memory; I didn’t peek! > > And FWIW, Peter Jackson thinks he was an orc…assuming that the orcish commander in the movie was Gothmog. More with my bolding > [@wiki](#): > > In the 1977 SPI board game War of the Ring, he is described as the \*\*second-most powerful Nazgul \*\* and chief lieutenant of Minas Morgul (nee Minas Ithil) from when the city was taken from Gondor in a two-year siege a millennium prior to the War of the Ring; he is one of only three non-Saruman Dark Power Player characters that can lead armies in this game with a morale rating between that of the Lord of the Nazgul and the Mouth of Sauron. In my defense, I owned and played this game a lot in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I think I see the source of my confusion. Jim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tolkien-trivia-contest/351963.md?page=6)