# Tom Brady change my impression **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 5, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246 "2018-02-05T19:27:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/61 "2018-02-06T14:06:03Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > On the other hand, back in 2006 Brady did knock up his actress girlfriend then dump her for a supermodel. To be fair, they did split up before she knew she was pregnant. Seems he’s never been anything but supportive and a good father to that kid Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/62 "2018-02-06T14:59:11Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Any diet that eliminates tomatos or mushrooms (two of my favorite foods) isn’t worth shit. A diet which does include the latter is, on the other hand, by definition, considering what it’s grown in :science: ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/63 "2018-02-06T15:28:18Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It certainly is, and it’s good to see. Generally after the last game of any playoff series, and most emphatically after the Stanley Cup Final, the losing coaches and their staff congratulate the winners, and the players file past and shake hands and congratulate each other. And those who think it’s just a league-enforced formality should watch carefully. The players really do talk to their winning competitors, and you can often see this especially between the winning and losing goalies, where the netminders, rightly or wrongly, but often unfairly, are credited with a win or blamed for a loss. This camaraderie is called sportsmanship; it costs nothing, but it provides valuable life lessons for the kids who are watching. You’d think that a display of sportsmanship and basic decency would be the least that privileged athletes making astronomical salaries could do. I agree and I think this is a much better way to teach kids about sportsmanship than mom telling them, daddy won five times, they never did or whatever the whole spiel was that Giselle gave the kids. That said, I do credit her with talking to and congratulating some of the players. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/64 "2018-02-06T15:31:38Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Back to Brady and away from the salt: > > CBS sports has an article saying that [Brady probably couldn’t find Foles on the field after the game](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/did-tom-brady-snub-nick-foles-on-super-bowl-handshake-lets-look-at-the-evidence/). It seems reasonable, especially since it includes a picture of him shaking hands with another Eagles player. The field is crazy after a Super Bowl, especially one that came down to a final Hail Mary play. > > On the other hand, back in 2006 Brady did knock up his actress girlfriend then dump her for a supermodel. That makes sense with all the chaos and I’m guessing Foles probably had a mob near him. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/65 "2018-02-07T00:59:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > A diet which does include the latter is, on the other hand, by definition, considering what it’s grown in :science: Touche. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/66 "2018-02-07T04:11:21Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Heh, didn’t even think of that. Hard to relate to people 20 years younger, and hard to relate to someone 20 years older. Outside of business I can’t imagine TB would have much to talk about with a 25 year-old 3-4 year “veteran” let alone some flock of egos just out of college. Yeah, when Randy Johnson was winding up his career well into his 40s, he once siad “I took my son to the ballpark, and he got on better with my teammates than I do.” ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/67 "2018-02-07T05:33:43Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Back to Brady and away from the salt: > > CBS sports has an article saying that [Brady probably couldn’t find Foles on the field after the game](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/did-tom-brady-snub-nick-foles-on-super-bowl-handshake-lets-look-at-the-evidence/). It seems reasonable, especially since it includes a picture of him shaking hands with another Eagles player. The field is crazy after a Super Bowl, especially one that came down to a final Hail Mary play. > > On the other hand, back in 2006 Brady did knock up his actress girlfriend then dump her for a supermodel. He always had problems finding Eli Manning after his other two Super Bowl losses too, but never failed to find Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, or any of the other quarterbacks he beat in the Super Bowl. Brady, from all testimony, is a very nice guy - off the field. He’s hyper-competitive and a horrible role model ON the field, however. He doesn’t like losing, understandably, but it manifests itself in shitty behavior in big games, where - like previously mentioned - it is customary for head coaches and quarterbacks to meet and at least say, “Good game”. Quackery, team drama, and all other stuff aside, he’s a decent person, and a loving husband and father. Doesn’t mean he’s a good sport. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/68 "2018-02-07T05:58:48Z")
> [@Patx2](#): > > … he didn’t shake hands or offer any congratulations, he went right to the locker room. That seems immature, unprofessional and arrogant to me. Was there a legitimate explanation for his behavior? Is Tom really a humble, decent guy and I just don’t see it? He was seen in the tunnel, dressed in street clothes, congratulating an Eagle. Brady is a top competitor. Most of us common civilians can’t relate to how confident and competitive these guys are. Losing isn’t easy. My barber in San Francisco had breakfast with Tom Brady’s father a couple of weeks ago, right after the AFC Championship game. There are three notable athletes who went to Brady’s high school in San Mateo, about 25 miles south of San Francisco: Lynn Swann, WR of the 4x Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers; Barry Bonds of the San Francisco Giants, and Brady. According to my barber, Brady is the only one who has donated to his high school. Brady has given a lot, apparently. From what I’ve heard and read about the family, they are d3cent, humble folk. As for me, I don’t know the Bradys at all. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/69 "2018-02-07T08:33:41Z")
In American sports, the losers seem to be kicked off the field ASAP. In soccer, cricket, rugby etc, the losers go up to the podium as well. Indeed in soccer its become somewhat of a tradition for the winners to give a [guard of honour to the beaten finalists as they go up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3potfenY1A) (at 10:30 in the video) Plus the losers are supposed to acknowledge and thank the fans for their support. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246/70 "2018-02-07T18:50:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Any diet that eliminates tomatos or mushrooms (two of my favorite foods) isn’t worth shit. So your criterion for judging the health benefits of any particular diet is whether or not it includes your favorite foods? Interesting to see the arguments here. You claim Brady’s diet is shit because it eliminates your favorite foods, and **Jackmannii** is skeptical of it because the benefits I’ve seen from it because I didn’t throw in a few ridiculous claims to go along with them. Boggles the mind, it does. But having said that, tomatoes and mushrooms aren’t prohibited in the diet advice Brady’s book. He states very clearly that his diet is optimized for maximum benefit on the field, and that people who aren’t professional athletes don’t necessarily have to eat identically to him. There are quite a few ingredients included in the nutrition section of the book that I know for a fact he doesn’t eat himself. The idea is to experiment, use trial and error, and find what works best for you. Now, on to **Jackmannii** re Guerrero: > [@Jackmannii](#): > > Athletes are notoriously gullible when it comes to their health, gulping down supplements by the handful and going to quacks in an effort to gain an edge. > > \ > > So I am not highly impressed with alleged testimonials from Patriots players, and I can understand why Patriots staff might resent them being influenced by a guy like Guerrero with such a checkered history. Gullibility and influence have nothing to do with it. The guys I’m talking about have all had painful injuries and conditions that traditional trainers and doctors failed to cure. One by one they went or got sent to Guerrero who treated them with a combination of diet, hydration, massage and exercise and completely alleviated their problem. Willie McGinist, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Brady, Edelman, Gronkowski and more have all been treated and cured of painful injuries by Guerrero when traditional methods (generally ice and rest) didn’t work. [Here’s T.J. Houshmandzadeh](http://video.wholehogsports.com/TJ-Houshmandzadeh-explains-his-relationship-with-Tom-Bradys-trainer-Alex-Guerrero-and-why-hes-trusted-by-NFL-players-33373154) on how he came to find Guerrero and how Guerrero cured him of a longstanding problem in only four treatments. Here’s _Sports Illustrated_ writer Greg Bishop on his experience [visiting Guerrero and the TB12 center for treatment of a broken toe and more](https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/26/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-tb12-method). He started out skeptical and ended up a convert. Here’s [Men’s Journal writer Mike Chambers on his experience with Guerrero after shattering his heel in a climbing fall](https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/the-secrets-of-tom-bradys-personal-trainer-w479755/). Ordered by his surgeon not to even put weight on his foot for three months, Guerrero had him back climbing ten weeks after his injury. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > Head (Patriots) trainer Jim Whalen owns a master’s in sports medicine from Miami and has played a part in four Super Bowl titles since 2002. His assistant, Joe Van Allen, also earned a master’s at Miami and has been overseeing rehabs – including Brady’s from knee surgery – since 2001. Assistant trainer Daryl Nelson received a master’s from Ohio State. Physical therapist Michael Akinbola holds three degrees, including a doctor of physical therapy from the University of Delaware. Dietician Ted Harper has trained special operations soldiers and U.S. Olympic speed skaters, with degrees from Utah and Purdue. > > Those are some seriously accomplished trainers with more than 40 years and 13 Super Bowls here between them. Who is Belichick supposed to trust? These five men, with their track record of success under his watch, or Guerrero, who has been sued twice for fraud after claiming to be a doctor?" In _Tom vs. Time_, Brady talks about how these seriously accomplished trainers generally responded to his injuries by telling him to ice them and take rests. For years this had been his experience. Then ten years or so ago his right elbow had become so sore he could no longer throw the ball properly. Willie McGinist sent him to see Guerrero. Guerrero worked his arm and introduced him to the concept of muscle pliability, with the result that his long term pain completely disappeared. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > can always assume that the Patriots’ medical staff dislikes Guerrero only because he’s competition, not because they care about the players’ welfare and Guerrero is keeping them from doing their jobs properly. But one would be wrong. I’m at a loss to know exactly how you know anything they think. From my perspective they are very likely hidebound and clinging to established methods that don’t really work all that well but are accepted by the medical community as the proper treatment. Guerrero’s methods are more effective and players are increasingly gravitating toward him because his methods have proven effective with their teammates. This very likely causes them not only to regard him as competition but very likely poses an eventual threat to their livelihood. I realize you’re hung up on Guerrero’s dishonest behavior in promoting himself in the past. But that was 15 years ago and there’ve been no complaints since. He learned his lesson and moved on. But he has demonstrated a keen understanding of the body and how to rehabilitate it, and how to keep it functioning effectively and pain free, even with professional athletes who take a pounding every week. The fact that he made a few mistakes years ago in no way impacts on the things he knows about how the body works. They are apples and oranges. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > As to the other stuff - well, I’ve seen lots of claims made for fad diets and supplements, and usually any benefits that are real come from simply losing weight, not the bizarre aspects of whatever protocol someone is enthusiastically promoting. > > The danger with what Brady’s touting is that people will look at him and think, wow, this guy is pretty old and still performing at a high level - his woo must be right! So if I hydrate with his electrolyte elixir, I can go out in the sun without sunscreen!! I can eat what I want as long as it’s not “chemical” foods!!! Well, I doubt that anyone reading his book in an effort to gain good information looks at what he’s saying as ‘woo’. Further, he doesn’t encourage anyone to go without sunscreen, nor does he encourage anyone to eat anything they want as long as it’s lacking ‘chemicals’. I have no idea where you get this stuff. He stated in the section on hydration that he believes he no longer gets sunburns due to his hydration levels, but he doesn’t encourage anyone to follow suit, and even if they did it would only take one day in the sun without protection to disabuse them of that idea. But like I said at the top of this post, his book is basically a set of guidelines intended to allow people to experiment and find what works best for them. I’m experimenting with it and while I’m still not as strict as he is, I’ve still benefitted tremendously from what I’ve already done. I don’t particularly care whether you personally take any of this to heart or not, but there’s nothing ‘woo’ about a diet that consists mostly of vegetables and good hydration. Every doctor I’ve seen since I began eating and hydrating this way has been delighted, and I would hope that any lurkers who might be interested in learning more about Guerrero and Brady’s diet and exercise regimen will not be put off by the protestations of someone who frets over Brady’s electrolytes while at the same time defending Coca-Cola. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-brady-change-my-impression/808246.md?page=3)