For the record, I more of a Brady fan than a Manning fan, but what Manning has accomplished cannot be overlooked. Manning’s greatness is in breaking down the defense in front of him and constantly adapting - almost to the second - to the looks and alignments he’s getting. The AFC title game in 2006-7 was one for the ages and that was almost all Manning.
No, and honestly probably not. Maybe the situations I put up weren’t right, but he still threw more than he needed to in situations where a run would suffice. How much of that was him and how much of that were the coaches/coordinators remains to be seen, but he’s still a stat padder to me.
Call it stubbornness or bullheadedness or just trusting the ever-famous eyeball test.
I do want to say, again, I’m not taking anything away from Manning and I’m not saying he’s bad or whatever. All I was doing it responding too whoever brought up the Manning stats as a counterargument. Manning was placed in a very fortuitous position during his prime which he used to create wins and stats. Brady just had to work harder at it IMO.
See, I don’t get that. If there is evidence that contradicts your “eyeball test” that you came to years ago without actually looking at the stats, wouldn’t you want to know? I know this isn’t an important issue by any stretch, but I find the “I don’t care if my position has any actual factual support, I decided it did, and I’m going to stick with it” to be very troubling, especially in America right now.
Some more stats for you:
Most career TD passes with a 17+ point lead
1T. Tom Brady - 33
1T. Brett Favre - 32
3. Peyton Manning - 30
4. Steve Young - 28
Most career TD passes with a 28+ point lead
- Tom Brady - 10
- Sid Luckman - 8
- Norm Van Brocklin - 8
4T. Craig Morton - 6
4T. Len Dawson - 6
Most career TD passes in the 4th quarter with a 28+ point lead
- Jacky Lee - 5
2T. Tom Brady - 4
2T. Pete Beathard - 4
2T. Craig Morton - 4
Not only that, but the Patriots under Belichick are unapologetic about their “We play for a full 60 minutes - if you don’t want us to score, stop us” mentality. Which doesn’t necessarily always mean Brady passing; they frequently rely on a big back to pound it with big 4th quarter leads. But Brady rarely comes out and the offense always pushes, even with a big lead.
Subjectively, I’m not surprised to see Brady at the top of these lists, though I’m not sure it’s Brady so much as Belichick, who has rarely, if ever, shown a willingness to take his foot off the accelerator in a blowout.
Edit: ninja’d by ShadowFacts, when I got interrupted while writing my post.
Yeah, my brother-in-law does all kinds of research before buying a $20 coffee maker, but when it comes to politics and religion, he doesn’t know, and doesn’t care that he doesn’t know, the first thing about either. He’s fully bought into the line that anything bad you hear about Trump is just the lying media trying to sabotage him, and he can speak for an hour on subjects like Islam, foreign policy, and economics without getting a single thing right.
But for what it’s worth, thanks for the stats; I found them very informative.
These stats really don’t say much without knowing how often these QBs have had the opportunity to run up the score. For example, this season the Cleveland Browns have zero TD passes with a 17+ point lead. That doesn’t mean the Browns never run up the score, they just never have the opportunity. How often has Brady had a 17+ point lead?
In the AFC Championship Game of 2006 (season), the Patriots had an 18 point lead on the Colts. The Colts won (maybe the Pats took the foot off the gas a little?). 2007 was the season that Brady/Belichick were accused of running up the score. Can you blame them?