# Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Divorcing **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 29, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716 "2012-06-29T17:54:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![eericaa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f9ae1b/32.png) [@eericaa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eericaa)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/221 "2012-07-31T05:42:42Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > Supposedly she’s asking for sole legal custody of Suri, meaning full control over things like religion and education. I don’t see Tom and the $cienos going along with that. It’ll be interesting. Ya I heard she had received full custody but then there have been rumors that Suri wants to stay with her father Tom Cruise. [http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2012/07/reports-suggest-suri-would-rather-live-her-father-tom-cruise-her-mother-katie-holmes](http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2012/07/reports-suggest-suri-would-rather-live-her-father-tom-cruise-her-mother-katie-holmes) ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/222 "2012-07-31T13:47:19Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I couldn’t remember why she passed on doing **Dark Knight** so when I did a search for it it says she chose to instead do the forgetable **Mad Money** with other female actresses and a female director. > In retrospect I wonder how much of this decision was pushed by Tom. Almost as if he didn’t want her around other men. How do we know that he “didn’t want her around other men?” Nicole was naked in a bunch of films. Tom seemed to survive that. We don’t know what drives the people that are IN OUR lives most of the time. Surprised how we think we know what drives people we’ve never been in the same room with. ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/223 "2012-07-31T15:43:33Z")
I kind of always thought they changed out Katie because of how much she sucked in the first one. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/224 "2012-07-31T16:24:05Z")
> [@eericaa](#): > > Ya I heard she had received full custody but then there have been rumors that Suri wants to stay with her father Tom Cruise. > > [http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2012/07/reports-suggest-suri-would-rather-live-her-father-tom-cruise-her-mother-katie-holmes](http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2012/07/reports-suggest-suri-would-rather-live-her-father-tom-cruise-her-mother-katie-holmes) I’m sure that she also wants to pet the tiger when she goes to the zoo. No 6-year-old can possibly understand the broad dangers inherent to choosing the wrong guardian. If nothing else, the amount of time he reportedly spends on church activities over and above his usual acting and publicity efforts would certainly make him a poor choice. And I would say that regardless of what “normal” church he went to. If it’s a second full time job, there’s no room for the third - and most important - job of parenting. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/225 "2012-07-31T17:44:39Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > I kind of always thought they changed out Katie because of how much she sucked in the first one. I believe the official story is that they initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, “I can’t, I’m filming Mad Money at the same time.” And rather than fight to ensure one of the main characters from their very successful first movie returned, the producers just recast the part. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/226 "2012-07-31T18:37:18Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I believe the official story is that they initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, “I can’t, I’m filming Mad Money at the same time.” And rather than fight to ensure one of the main characters from their very successful first movie returned, the producers just recast the part. While that is the “official” story, I’ve heard movie reviewers speculate about the “real” reason. I’m not a Hollywood insider, but apparently there is more to the story than the version told identically by everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/227 "2012-07-31T21:45:34Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > While that is the “official” story, I’ve heard movie reviewers speculate about the “real” reason. I’m not a Hollywood insider, but apparently there is more to the story than the version told identically by everyone involved. I suppose it’s possible Tom Cruise pulled some voodoo over on the entire Warner Bros. studio, but I’d say the official story (or the “she was replaced because the fans hated her” alterna-story) is much more likely. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/228 "2012-08-01T00:08:40Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I suppose it’s possible Tom Cruise pulled some voodoo over on the entire Warner Bros. studio, but I’d say the official story (or the “she was replaced because the fans hated her” alterna-story) is much more likely. The insider I heard told a convincing tale, including quotes from Holmes, Nolan, and a third party where the quotes were word for word identical. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/229 "2012-08-02T18:16:59Z")
So what was the gist of this alterna story? That Holmes didn’t want to do the part, that Cruise didn’t want Holmes doing the part, or that the movie makers didn’t want Holmes doing the part? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716/230 "2012-08-02T19:14:30Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > So what was the gist of this alterna story? That Holmes didn’t want to do the part, that Cruise didn’t want Holmes doing the part, or that the movie makers didn’t want Holmes doing the part? The three competing tales are… **THE OFFICIAL STORY -** The producers initially asked her to come back for The Dark Knight, and Katie said, “I can’t, I’m filming Mad Money at the same time.” Rather than fight to bring her back, the producers just recast the part. **THE EVIL TOM STORY -** Tom Cruise forbid Katie from doing The Dark Knight because he didn’t want her around all those manly men so soon after their wedding. An alternate theory is that he forced the producers not to bring her back, which leads to… **THE EVIL PRODUCERS STORY -** The producers didn’t ask Katie back for whatever reason even though she wanted to do it. Many fans will cite the poor reviews see received for BB (and not Tom’s influence) as the real reason for this version. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-divorcing/626716.md?page=11)