# Tom DeLay calls Obama a "Marxist" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029 "2008-01-10T21:30:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/81 "2008-02-29T00:01:14Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] Your friend is wrong. He left out “Lenin Stalin Mussolini Hitler” [/QUOTE] And “Belichick”. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/82 "2008-02-29T03:42:17Z")
[QUOTE=Green Bean] Actually, his birth certificate reads Barack Muhammad Hussein Bin Laden Qaddafi JohnWilkesBooth Obama. A friend of mine told me that. [/QUOTE] No Hitler in there? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/83 "2008-02-29T12:01:16Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] No Hitler in there? WTF? [/QUOTE] Or Clinton? ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/84 "2008-02-29T15:09:21Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] No Hitler in there? WTF? [/QUOTE] After all, he was a [Socialist](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP) too! ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/85 "2008-02-29T15:50:37Z")
Back in 2002, Tom Delay denounced Texas A&M and Baylor University as ungodly. Baylor doesn’t teach Creationism–& the debauchery in Aggieland (A&M) _shocked_ his daughter. [His advice](http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_&page=NewsArticle&id=5573&security=1001&news_iv_ctrl=1076): > [@](#): > > …don’t send your kids to Baylor. And don’t send your kids to A&M. There are still some Christian schools out there good, solid schools. Now, they may be little, they may not be as prestigious as Stanford, but your kids will get a good, solid, Godly education. Research revealed that DeLay was kicked out of Baylor in 1967 for, among other things, dancing! Which was forbidden at the time–Baylor is run by the Southern Baptists. (So he got a degree at the University of Houston. And maintained his exemption…) His daughter is not a shrinking violet; reports say she enjoyed A&M. Originally an All White Male school with compulsory membership in The Corps, it’s loosened up considerably. But many would still consider it conservative. Except for Tom DeLay. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/86 "2008-02-29T18:23:18Z")
Sheesh. Why doesn’t he just change his name to Dale Gribble and be done with it? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/87 "2008-03-02T01:23:00Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [Just when you thought no greater depths of dumbth could be plumbed:](http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/NATION/377672324/1001&template=printart) 1. [Obama is not a socialist.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama) [/QUOTE] Sigh. He wants the government to be the giant tit we all suck on. He wants the taxpayers to shoulder the burden for paying for that tit. Socialist from start to finish. And there are times when I can’t tell who’s a worse socialist, him or Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/88 "2008-03-02T01:48:57Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > See also [this review](http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0034-6705%28196710%2929%3A4%3C557%3AAS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-A&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage) of \*The Arab Ba’th Socialist Party: History, Ideology, and Organization \* by Kamel S. Abu Jaber. Specifially, the section titled “Arab Socialism”. From the second page of that review: > [@](#): > > This means that “Ba’th ideology explicitly emphasizes nationalist goals > over Socialist ones” (p. 101). Ba’thists, like their Egyptian counterpart, > often hasten to assert that Arab Socialism is not a slavish imitation > of Western Socialism, but something "indigenous to the Arab world.‘’ > This apologetic-defensive attitude is characteristic of the modernist > movement in the Arab world. More realistic (or less sensitive) Ba’th > intellectuals confess that “while each nation has unique qualities > and needs, it can benefit from some aspects of the heritage of other > nations. Arab socialism should mean socialism as adapted to the > peculiar circumstances of the Arab world” (p. 99). So, whether it’s socialism as we understand it or not depends, i guess, on how closely (or not) it followed Western notions of what constitutes socialism, and how much was changed as it “adapted to the peculiar circumstances of the Arab world.” If your reason for emphasizing this is some attempt to make a logical connection between socialism with the dictatorial brutality of Saddam Hussein, it’s a pretty shabby argument. [QUOTE=Liberal] It certainly convinced itself that it was. [/quote] Cambodia under Pol Pot was called Democratic Kampuchea. There are times when the labels people choose for themselves are belied by the reality of their actions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/89 "2008-03-03T12:51:36Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] And there are times when I can’t tell who’s a worse socialist, him or Clinton. [/QUOTE] Ah. [Yes.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=453937) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/90 "2008-03-05T01:23:30Z")
Why does anyone listen to Tom DeLay anymore? He’s already been disgraced, discredited, and is known far and wide as being no good. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/91 "2008-03-05T01:57:25Z")
[QUOTE=SteveG1] Why does anyone listen to Tom DeLay anymore? He’s already been disgraced, discredited, and is known far and wide as being no good. [/QUOTE] Not to the Party Faithful. To them, he’s been railroaded by an obviously partisan prosecutor. And they’ll believe that right up until DeLay actually passes away. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/92 "2008-03-05T05:12:08Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Not to the Party Faithful. To them, he’s been railroaded by an obviously partisan prosecutor. And they’ll believe that right up until DeLay actually passes away. [/QUOTE] He even has a [book.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Retreat%2C_No_Surrender:_One_American%27s_Fight) :rolleyes: Even now. And he’s not (AFAICT) even required to turn over the revenues to the courts for restitution to victims. True story! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/93 "2008-03-05T16:16:08Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Not to the Party Faithful. To them, he’s been railroaded by an obviously partisan prosecutor. And they’ll believe that right up until DeLay actually passes away. [/QUOTE] Oh. That (cognitive dissonance + deliberate ignorance) thing again. The guy is a dirtbag. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/94 "2008-03-05T16:22:56Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] Sigh. He wants the government to be the giant tit we all suck on. He wants the taxpayers to shoulder the burden for paying for that tit. Socialist from start to finish. And there are times when I can’t tell who’s a worse socialist, him or Clinton. [/QUOTE] Welfarism != Socialism. Don’t blame you a bit for being opposed to both systems. But do draw the disinction; otherwise, you risk being classed in with the conservative ranters who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, and are ignored by everyone but each other. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/95 "2008-03-05T16:30:40Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] Welfarism != Socialism. Don’t blame you a bit for being opposed to both systems. But do draw the disinction; otherwise, you risk being classed in with the conservative ranters who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, and are ignored by everyone but each other. [/QUOTE] **Poly** , this is **Clothahump**. He’s already classed in that box and has been for several years now. ---
**Author:** ![Sri\_Theo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Sri\_Theo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sri_Theo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/96 "2008-03-06T00:39:56Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] is not terribly socialistic compared with, say, Britain’s National Health system, and Britain is by no means a socialist country).. [/QUOTE] Yes we are, and the Labour party is still the socialist party of Great Britain according to what it says on the membership card. Although I do believe that the difference between what Socialism means in the US and Th EU is vast. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/97 "2008-03-06T04:53:51Z")
[QUOTE=Sri Theo] Yes we are, and the Labour party is still the socialist party of Great Britain according to what it says on the membership card. Although I do believe that the difference between what Socialism means in the US and Th EU is vast. [/QUOTE] Over here, “socialist” pretty much means the same as “no god damn good freedom hating godless commie filth” or some variation of it. It’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/98 "2008-03-06T05:49:09Z")
I guess different people get different boogie men in their anxiety closets… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/99 "2008-03-07T16:03:57Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] I guess different people get different boogie men in their anxiety closets… [/QUOTE] “Leapin’ Lenin! Wrong closet!” “Nancy, I’ve had it up to my keister with this thing!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029/100 "2008-03-07T23:49:05Z")
😃 Exactly the image I was thinking of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-calls-obama-a-marxist/433029.md?page=4)