# Tom DeLay is an "Isreali at heart" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 31, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183 "2003-07-31T18:07:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183/21 "2003-08-03T20:05:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CarnalK \* > **Oh come on Shodan. He likens this “Lie” to the words of the serpent. Do you think he meant a garter snake? Or was he in fact referencing the Devil.** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mgtman \* > \*\* > Lots of references to “God” and “The Lie”(which, IIRC is a euphamism for the devil when that kind of capitalization is used). \*\* The actual quote from DeLay is: > [@](#): > > …the idea that with enough guns, enough fear, and enough violence, human power can control the human spirit. This is what he is referring to as The Lie, and what he says terrorism is based on. As was Auschwitz, etc. I was correcting **Mgtman** ’s misunderstanding of the term. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2003, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183/22 "2003-08-03T22:18:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JohnBckWLD \* > \*\*When all is said and done, it still think it’s better to be labeled an “Israeli at Heart” as opposed to a “Hamas Militant at Heart” \*\* Because of course, that would be the counterpart in your bigoted opinion wouldn’t it? Not “a Palestinian at heart”, but some sort of Ay-rab terrorist, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183/23 "2003-08-04T16:04:41Z")
First things first. I am perfectly capable of parsing Mr DeLay’s speech to determine the antecedant he used for the phrase “The Lie” which he used thereafter. Perhaps I should more clearly spell out my objection to his usage because it seems to have been misunderstood. It is my recollection from various studies of world religions that “The Lie” is a euphamism for Satan/The Devil in some religions, perhaps even Judaism. It is my assertion that DeLay chose “The Lie” as shorthand for “the idea that with enough guns, enough fear, and enough violence, human power can control the human spirit” in order to correlate it with this concept of Satan/irredeemable evil. I object to this, as I mentioned above, because it is polarizing, specifically polarizing in the religious sense. I don’t believe the US should get involved in the religious aspects of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Deal with the secular issues and shut the fuck up with the religious rhetoric. Or are you trying to start a holy war? Wide-eyed innocence about “he didn’t mean anything by it” seems almost criminally naieve. After all, I can spout a nice speech in which the word “nigger” is conveniently defined as “our beloved brothers with darker skin” but that won’t stop the common connotation from carrying the day when I use it. The fuzzy part here is the question of if Judaism uses the euphamism “The Lie” for Satan. I’m basing this on a fuzzy recollection from years ago and I can’t be sure of this. Ah well, even if they don’t, the explicit comparison of it to the words of the serpent certainly make it clear. Clearly religous imagery. Perhaps inevitable when dealing with countries where religion is such a powerful force, but Now, as to how this kind of hard-line “we won’t negotiate with you until you stop the terrorists” bullshit hands the reigns of the peace process over to the extremists I refer you to the past twenty freaking years of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Oh and Northern Ireland. Extremists who believe that a war between the Arabs and the Jews will bring about Armageddon and the return of their beloved IPU absolutely wet their pants when they hear crap like this > [@](#): > > An immediate and total end to Palestinian terrorism is not a concession the civilized world asks of the Palestinian Authority to advance the peace process. > > It is a prerequisite to the Palestinian Authority’s invitation to it. Yea! That makes it easy! All we need is one “martyr” and a few sticks of dynamite. The war between the Jews and Arabs is a step closer, we won’t let you down IPU! Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![DeadJesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/35a633/32.png) [@DeadJesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadJesus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183/24 "2003-08-05T00:18:02Z")
Can I get an “Amen” for Mtgman’s post… 🙂 First and foremost, Tom DeLay is an Evangelical Christian at heart (anyone remember, this is the man who blamed the Columbine shootings on the sin of Teaching Evolution in Our Public Schools?). Evangelical Christians have an agenda that has little to do with establishing peace in that part of the world or ending terrorism. I dare say in fact, that they seem to share the same ideological opinions held by Osama and al-Quaida, mainly that there will be a violent conflict between Islam and the West. 60 Minutes did a segment on it which re-aired recently called [Zion’s Christian Soldiers](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml). Here’s what believers like Tom DeLay have planned for the Israelis: > [@](#): > > And the Jews? Well, two-thirds of them will have been wiped out by now. But the survivors will accept Jesus at last. And here’s what they have in store for the Palestinians: > [@](#): > > What about the three million Palestinians who live on the West Bank and Gaza? McAteer suggests the bulk of them could be cleansed from this God-given real estate and moved to some Arab country. Nothing can come between the Jews and their land. It really sickens me to think that there are people like Tom DeLay that are in the highest positions of power in our nation. We need to heed our own advice and rid ourselves of own religious zealots. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183/25 "2003-08-05T06:27:34Z")
As an Israeli, all I can do is reiterate: _“with friends like this, who needs enemies?”_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tom-delay-is-an-isreali-at-heart/192183.md?page=1)