# tomndebb, allowing racist hate speech was a bullshit mod call **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 12, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632 "2015-08-12T06:18:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/1 "2015-08-12T06:18:41Z")
> [@Construct: Are you for real?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/30): > > Because stupidity and hatred focused through stupidity have never been grounds for banning. Heck, he is not even as good at hatred as several of his predecessors. So being incompetent at hate speech is an out now? This guy is literally spewing anti-Muslim and anti-non-white hate speech. And attracting racist newbies as well, which worked out so wonderfully last time … > [@](#): > > His nonsense is just far enough out there that pointing at it and laughing is a good way to indicate the stupidity of slightly less extreme forms of the same nonsense. Are you saying you’re keeping the virulent racist around as an example to others? What the ever-living fuck? We’re all perfectly capable of going to Stormfront if we need to see racist nutjobs in the flesh, we don’t need it here. This is a very bad mod call. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/2 "2015-08-12T12:51:39Z")
Still haven’t figured out the Ignore function? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/3 "2015-08-12T12:53:16Z")
A link would have been nice. Anyway it does racists a world of good to be laughed at, they’re all so serious and gloomy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/4 "2015-08-12T13:12:21Z")
IIRC “the new guy” in question is **Construct**. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/5 "2015-08-12T13:20:50Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > A link would have been nice. Anyway it does racists a world of good to be laughed at, they’re all so serious and gloomy. Click on the blue arrow beside tomndebb’s name in the quote box. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/6 "2015-08-12T13:26:39Z")
“Hate Speech” per se is a very difficult moderation decision. It places us in the position of having to make value judgements that make limit the expressing of opinions. That’s something that can’t be done lightly because where does it stop? Everyone’s going to have a different answer to that question. I won’t speak for Tom but usually hate speech - should I choose to moderate it - would need to be directed at an individual poster or in some form be limiting the ability of posters to express themselves. Should a poster be problematic in other ways - as true racists tend to be - the chain will be shorter and I might act quicker. Remember, just because you think it’s hate speech doesn’t mean everyone else does. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/7 "2015-08-12T13:46:22Z")
The board has a way of taking care of itself and will eat their own if need be, rarely need any heavy handed moves by mods. Let 'em expose themselves how they truly are. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/8 "2015-08-12T14:06:25Z")
If we’re talking about **Construct** , perhaps a link might be in order… [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18590761&postcount=8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18590761&postcount=8) The high points: > [@Construct](#): > > Islam is a dangerous and barbarous religion that has spent thousands of years trying desperately to subjugate every corner of the earth (thankfully, they were stopped by the low intelligence and incompetence of non-Jewish non-European peoples). > > Muslims are interlopers with no right to be in Europe. > > Islam is the religion of a pedophile and false prophet. > > Marxists are an existential threat to our well being and way of life. Every single one of them should be lined up against the wall and shot > > the inextricably related barbarity and depravity that invariably accompanies Islamic aesthetics. So, maybe not hate speech? Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/9 "2015-08-12T14:39:40Z")
I’m a really bad judge when it comes to Pit comments; I just don’t really visit there enough to have an opinion. Maybe in total **Contact** has earned a banning. Some of the posts at least should have earned a warning - either Mod Lite or Official. He strikes me as a “one trick pony” with just the single ax grinding going on and that makes for almost an instant highjack when he jumps into a thread. But some of the examples, if you change them a bit, come close to things I’ve seen fly here before. In the first one **Ethilrist** gives change “Islam” to “Christianity” or for that matter “any religion” and I’ve basically seen that thought given by some of our more of our regular dopers without anyone blinking an eye. Being critical of religion, or a specific religion like say the Roman Catholic Church, just isn’t all that unusual here. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/10 "2015-08-12T14:50:30Z")
Oh boy, two different threads about me? For what it’s worth, and I doubt anyone will believe me, I really don’t hate anyone. Some groups I dislike, and others I think we’d be better off without, but I don’t hate people collectively and especially not as individuals. It’d be nice if leftists and moderates acknowledge that it’s possible to critique protected groups without hating them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/11 "2015-08-12T14:54:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Still haven’t figured out the Ignore function? I choose not to use it, because I stopped thinking that, just because I have the blankie over my head, the boogieman has disappeared, around the time I turned 3. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/12 "2015-08-12T14:56:09Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > For what it’s worth, and I doubt anyone will believe me, I really don’t hate anyone. Some groups I dislike, and others I think we’d be better off without, but I don’t hate people collectively and especially not as individuals. It’d be nice if leftists and moderates acknowledge that it’s possible to critique protected groups without hating them. Really? > [@](#): > > Marxists are an existential threat to our well being and way of life. Every single one of them should be lined up against the wall and shot I shudder to think how you would treat those you actually _hated_. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/13 "2015-08-12T14:57:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I choose not to use it, because I stopped thinking that, just because I have the blankie over my head, the boogieman has disappeared, around the time I turned 3. After all, [duty calls](https://xkcd.com/386/). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/14 "2015-08-12T15:00:21Z")
This thread isn’t about Construct’s racism or lack thereof, it’s about tom’s rationale for not moderating said racism. It reads to me as if the mods are saying (now that **Jonathan** **Chance** ’s also weighed in), as long as you’re not directing your hate speech at a specific poster, then you’re golden. So stuff like “the low intelligence and incompetence of non-Jewish non-European peoples” is just fine. Speaking as a non-Jewish non-European poster, that’s bullshit. I wonder how that would fly if **Construct** had said “the thievery and greed of Jewish peoples”… ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/15 "2015-08-12T15:05:03Z")
Islam is a religion not a race. The things that **Construct** has said about Muslims is no worse than many other posters here have said about Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/16 "2015-08-12T15:06:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > IIRC “the new guy” in question is **Construct**. Ah, I thought it might have been about princess something or other in the weird and seemingly disappeared thread on ‘pinks’ and ‘blacks’ and 1848. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/17 "2015-08-12T15:08:40Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Islam is a religion not a race. The things that **Construct** has said about Muslims is no worse than many other posters here have said about Christianity. Sure, but I’ve also made racist comments about Arabs and African Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/18 "2015-08-12T15:15:35Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Sure, but I’ve also made racist comments about Arabs and African Americans. 'Tis true. And made various comments about the role of white people in America. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/19 "2015-08-12T15:29:19Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It reads to me as if the mods are saying (now that **Jonathan** **Chance** ’s also weighed in), as long as you’re not directing your hate speech at a specific poster, then you’re golden. Has this not always been the case? I don’t recall you starting any threads when Der Trihs was spewing his hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632/20 "2015-08-12T15:40:52Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This thread isn’t about Construct’s racism or lack thereof, it’s about tom’s rationale for not moderating said racism. > > It reads to me as if the mods are saying (now that **Jonathan** **Chance** ’s also weighed in), as long as you’re not directing your hate speech at a specific poster, then you’re golden. So stuff like “the low intelligence and incompetence of non-Jewish non-European peoples” is just fine. > > Speaking as a non-Jewish non-European poster, that’s bullshit. > > I wonder how that would fly if **Construct** had said “the thievery and greed of Jewish peoples”… They didnt ban Princesswhatever for her racist posts; this coming from a pink, shoeleather poster; so why ban Construct? Its disturbing that the OP would want someone banned for their ideas. Ideas are why this board exists. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-allowing-racist-hate-speech-was-a-bullshit-mod-call/727632.md?page=2)