# tomndebb and moderation of lekatt GD thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 11, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683 "2010-04-11T00:37:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/1 "2010-04-11T00:37:46Z")
> [@Lekatt's Thread: The \*only\* place to find out about Lekatt's beliefs!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lekatts-thread-the-only-place-to-find-out-about-lekatts-beliefs/535273/178): > > Every post of yours that you have quoted stands out as a snide attempt to make fun of lekatt, depending on what answer he gives. Please provide proof of your assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/2 "2010-04-11T01:18:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Please provide proof of your assertion. The better part of that post is where we learn that in the **lekatt** beliefs thread (which does, I confess, have the appearance of being a pile-on), **tomndebb** is the victim in all of this: > [@](#): > > Beyond that, you are simply hijacking this thread to make whiny comments about me rather than actually attempting to engage lekatt. Yes, modes, it’s true. From the moment we awaken in the morning to the last hazy thought before we sleep—why, even in our dreams—we lowly posters live our lives to annoy you. You’re like our world. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/3 "2010-04-11T02:09:11Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > The better part of that post is where we learn that in the **lekatt** beliefs thread (which does, I confess, have the appearance of being a pile-on), **tomndebb** is the victim in all of this: > > Yes, modes, it’s true. From the moment we awaken in the morning to the last hazy thought before we sleep—why, even in our dreams—we lowly posters live our lives to annoy you. You’re like our world. If by “we” you mean a miniscule group that includes yourself, _perhaps_ Muffin, and maybe a couple of others, I suspect that that may be true. However, the vast majority of posters actually post on the SDMB to entertain themselves by sharing their opinions and information, so your “we” is simply more hyperbolic ankle biting. My comment, however, was in the context of Muffin posting repeatedly that I was being a meanie when all he had to do to keep the thread open was simply stop screwing around posting silly rants at me and actually address lekatt in a genuine discussion. That he has still failed to do. I don’t feel victimized, but I am beginning to get bored. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/4 "2010-04-11T02:10:23Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > The better part of that post is where we learn that in the **lekatt** beliefs thread (which does, I confess, have the appearance of being a pile-on), **tomndebb** is the victim in all of this: > > Yes, modes, it’s true. From the moment we awaken in the morning to the last hazy thought before we sleep—why, even in our dreams—we lowly posters live our lives to annoy you. You’re like our world. I didn’t notice any postings of _yours_ in that thread at all. What are you doing here, besides jumping at the chance to criticize the Mods at the drop of a hat? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/5 "2010-04-11T02:11:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t feel victimized, but I am beginning to get bored. Then quit. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/6 "2010-04-11T02:20:58Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > _perhaps_ Muffin Retract that veiled allgation. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/7 "2010-04-11T02:36:00Z")
Any mod that volunteers to tackle modding a **lekatt** thread has got to be a glutton for punishment. I think a lot of latitude is necessary just to keep everyone from sinking into the morass that is **lekatt’s** mind. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/8 "2010-04-11T03:00:10Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Then quit. I’m bored of Kimmy’s silliness, not of modding. > [@Muffin](#): > > Retract that veiled allgation. It was not veiled, but it was not an allegation. Kimmy made a claim that I thought everyone was picking on me. That is not true. Kimmy only posts to pick fights with the mods, but you occasionally post on other topics. So, _perhaps_ you may or may not be included in the tiny group to which Kimmy belongs. I don’t know. I do not want to summarily include you in or exclude you from that group, thus my phrasing. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/9 "2010-04-11T03:07:38Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > If by “we” you mean a miniscule group that includes yourself, _perhaps_ Muffin, and maybe a couple of others, I suspect that that may be true. 1. Retract your veiled allegation against me. You allegation is utter rubbish and without foundation. > [@tomndebb](#): > > My comment, however, was in the context of Muffin posting repeatedly that I was being a meanie when all he had to do to keep the thread open was simply stop screwing around posting silly rants at me and actually address lekatt in a genuine discussion. That he has still failed to do. 1. Please provide cites for your allegation that I repeatedly called you a meanie, or for that matter, called you any derrogatory terms that could be construed as calling you a meanie. The fact of the matter is that when I directed you to not close the thread, you became defensive. 2. The purpose of the thread is to “find out about lekatt’s beliefs.” Though my questions about lekatt’s beliefs, and his answers to my questions, it has become apparent that CUs are at the foundation of his belief system. Through my questions and lekatt’s answers, the nature and function of lekatt’s CUs is being disclosed by lekatt. That, quite simply, is genuine discussion. 3. I have asked you to provide proof of your assertion that “Every post of yours that you have quoted stands out as a snide attempt to make fun of lekatt, depending on what answer he gives.” You have conveniently ignored this request, obviously because you cannot justify, let alone prove, your allegation against me. When it comes to making an allegation of this sort, either put up your poof, or retract your allegation. > [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t feel victimized, but I am beginning to get bored. 1. You are confusing boredom with arrogance. Whether or not you are bored is irrelevant to whether or not the thread should be closed. I am not here to entertain you, and the threads that you monitor are not there for your entertainment. As long as we are having a civilised discussion in the thread, you would be best to keep your hands out of the thread and stop threatening to close it, given that you closed it down one already without just cause. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/10 "2010-04-11T03:14:45Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I’m bored of Kimmy’s silliness, not of modding. > > It was not veiled, but it was not an allegation. Kimmy made a claim that I thought everyone was picking on me. That is not true. Kimmy only posts to pick fights with the mods, but you occasionally post on other topics. So, _perhaps_ you may or may not be included in the tiny group to which Kimmy belongs. I don’t know. I do not want to summarily include you in or exclude you from that group, thus my phrasing. I “occasionally post on other topics” other than “to pick fights with mods”? It is absurd, and grossly misleading, for you to say than when I have made over 10,000 posts in the last decade, of which very few are critical of the mods, and those which are critical are critical on specific points, such as your continued threatening to close the lekatt GD thread. Stop being dishonest in how you are portraying me. Let me stress that. Stop being dishonest in how you are portraying me. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/11 "2010-04-11T03:56:51Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Retract that veiled allgation. Make demands. Yeah, those work. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/12 "2010-04-11T04:26:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Make demands. Yeah, those work. Snarkiness aside, I have to agree you weren’t doing anything wrong in that thread, excepting maybe that one post that could have been perceived as a personal insult. Everything else is a legitimate question. (Disregarding questions that should have been moved here in the first place) That said, I’m not sure I understand why any restrictions apply to **lekatt** in his own thread. I thought he was just barred from hijacking threads to talk about his beliefs. He should be allowed to quote any evidence he likes. And, my snarkiness did have a point: I have yet to see a mod respond to being told “You MUST do this.” ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/13 "2010-04-11T04:45:11Z")
Please, please, PLEASE! Don’t close down **lekatt** ’s thread! Then the rest of us will have to endure his hijacks again! ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/14 "2010-04-11T09:50:30Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I’m bored of Kimmy’s silliness, not of modding. > > It was not veiled, but it was not an allegation. Kimmy made a claim that I thought everyone was picking on me. That is not true. Kimmy only posts to pick fights with the mods, but you occasionally post on other topics. So, _perhaps_ you may or may not be included in the tiny group to which Kimmy belongs. I don’t know. I do not want to summarily include you in or exclude you from that group, thus my phrasing. Well, this isn’t really true. But since I’m not a mode and can’t threaten to close down threads just because I feel they’re a waste of time or because they hurt my feelings (also: I don’t have a mode whistle), I guess I’m just going to have to learn how to get on with my life nevertheless! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/15 "2010-04-11T10:00:03Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Snarkiness aside, I have to agree you weren’t doing anything wrong in that thread, excepting maybe that one post that could have been perceived as a personal insult. Everything else is a legitimate question. If you have a question about a mod decision, asking that question in the thread itself simply derails the conversation. The thread is not about you and your beliefs about the rules of the SDMB forums, it’s about whatever is in the OP. It’s only polite (and more importantly it is the rules) that you take conversations on modding to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/16 "2010-04-11T10:09:05Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > actually address lekatt in a genuine discussion. That he has still failed to do. To be fair, it’s pretty much a lost cause to "engage lekatt in a genuine discussion. That would require lekatt to also engage in a genuine discussion. In the latest batch of threads involved, I’ve gotten the impression that the mods are giving lekatt a freebie (including for slightly veiled insults to other posters) while taking everyone else to task. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/17 "2010-04-11T10:09:56Z")
Though I see that “the rule” is listed in the Pit stickies: [ > [@](#): > > **Mind the moderators** > > In the Pit as in all other SDMB forums, the role of the moderators is to moderate. If we feel a thread is getting out of hand, we may tell you or the thread participants generally to back off. Such comments are simply cautions and in themselves won’t get you tossed off the board. (We reserve the right to make exceptions in extreme cases.) However, refusal to cooperate or _persisting in arguing with a mod after you’ve been told to stop may result in disciplinary action_. If you feel you’ve been unfairly treated, take your complaint to ATMB. ]([Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985))(Italics added) That should probably be added to [the ATMB sticky on posting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=384736). ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/18 "2010-04-11T23:53:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you have a question about a mod decision, asking that question in the thread itself simply derails the conversation. The thread is not about you and your beliefs about the rules of the SDMB forums, it’s about whatever is in the OP. It’s only polite (and more importantly it is the rules) that you take conversations on modding to ATMB. Hence the parenthetical after the part you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/19 "2010-04-12T04:18:00Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > If by “we” you mean a miniscule group that includes yourself, _perhaps_ Muffin, and maybe a couple of others, I suspect that that may be true. However, the vast majority of posters actually post on the SDMB to entertain themselves by sharing their opinions and information, so your “we” is simply more hyperbolic ankle biting. The identifier is pretty simple, isn’t it? If they refer to mods as “modes”, then they’re more than likely part of the “nothing to add” crew. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683/20 "2010-04-12T13:22:15Z")
tom, I’ve never been one to complain about mods, and frankly I think all of this poster-mod angst and bickering is incredibly tiresome and a serious detriment to the boards. But I have to say, as one who’s been reading this lekatt thread from the beginning, that if there’s one person there who’s baiting lekatt, insulting him, and generally being rude, it’s tomndebb. I think there are several people, including myself, attempting to have an actual conversation. Sure, there are a few drive-by idiots who swing through, point and laugh, and move on. But no one has maintained a consistent, ongoing mocking presence like you yourself have. It’s clear that you have serious issues with lekatt and his beliefs - understandably so. But if you’re unable to hold yourself to the same standards you’re asking us to maintain, you should excuse yourself and ask someone else to moderate that thread. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-and-moderation-of-lekatt-gd-thread/535683.md?page=2)