# Tomndebb - can I ask why I was warned in GD please? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439 "2005-02-16T22:43:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/1 "2005-02-16T22:43:28Z")
Why is it OK for Shodan to infer that I be locked up and / or hung with all of my treasonous cohorts for rebelling against the government, but for me to use allegory to compare that action to the Nazis locking up and / or killing their political enemies worthy of a stern mod warning? I refer to this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301744&page=3&pp=50). \*\*Shodan \*\* starts off with Post 137 saying: > [@](#): > > The winning side, and those on the losing side with a commitment to majoritarian principle and the rule of law, will make common cause against the rebels and pitch most into prison for treason and hang the rest. And good riddance. It seems to me \*\*Shodan \*\* was inferring that I would be one of the ones pitched into prison or hanged for rebelling, and that I would be a ‘good riddance.’ I respond in post 147 with > [@](#): > > When are you and your ilk scheduled to start up the trains and ovens for those of us who disagree with you? And I get warned yet he doesn’t. I am not adverse to apologizing if I stepped over the line, as shown by my posting history. But I honestly do not understand why my behavior was worthy of a warning but Shodan gets a pass. I also do not understand why my behavior stepped over the line in the first place. I did not personally insult Shodan, nor did I wish death on anyone except possibly myself. I was on topic for the discussion, and did not even use profanity. I do not understand. I await illumination. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/2 "2005-02-16T23:02:51Z")
> [@GomiBoy](#): > > It seems to me \*\*Shodan \*\* was inferring that I would be one of the ones pitched into prison or hanged for rebelling, and that I would be a ‘good riddance.’ Well, Shodan just said that anyone rebelling against the government would be committing treason, and that it would be good riddence to throw people who would do that into prison or hang them (and he’s got the law on his side there…taking up arms against the US is treason which is a crime and can be punishible by death. He didn’t even say you would rebel against the government…just that rebels should be thrown in jail or executed. You, on the other hand, said that he and his ilk were going to start up the trains and ovens for those who disagreed with him. In other words, you pretty much specificially called him a Nazi. Do you see the difference between, “People who rebel should be punished” and “You’re a Nazi”? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/3 "2005-02-16T23:09:08Z")
Is this **tomndebb’s** first pitting as a mod? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/4 "2005-02-17T01:12:17Z")
**Captain Amazing** got it in one. The sequence (as I read it). **G** : I wonder how long the minority will put up with (a perceived lack of) representation before bad things happen? **S** : If it leads to rebellion, the majority of people (including the law-abiding members of the minority) will suppress the rebellion. **G** : “When are **you and your ilk** scheduled to start up the trains and ovens for those of us who disagree with you?” **[bolding mine]** You have changed the tone from one of a hypothetical rebellion by the disaffected and the probable response by the citizens of that hypothetical situation to a direct question regarding when **Shodan** and his compatriots intend to carry out an already agreed upon plan of extermination with an allusion taken directly from the Nazi massacres. I doubt that you thought long and hard about the best way to insult **Shodan** and suspect that you simply reacted in the heat of the debate, but you did step over the line for **GD** posts. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/5 "2005-02-17T01:30:36Z")
In all fairness, **Shodan** often elicits that reaction from people. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/6 "2005-02-17T01:52:39Z")
I seem to recall some similar reactions to some of your posts, as well. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/7 "2005-02-17T02:00:51Z")
Consider yourself lucky. I got an enforced vacation for the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/8 "2005-02-17T02:13:34Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Consider yourself lucky. > > I got an enforced vacation for the same thing. Was your infraction your first? I was under the impression it was the final straw in a string of warnings. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/9 "2005-02-17T02:22:06Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > Was your infraction your first? I was under the impression it was the final straw in a string of warnings. I wasn’t banned. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/10 "2005-02-17T02:29:54Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I wasn’t banned. I didn’t suggest you were. I thought your posting priviledges were suspended for a month or so. Was that not the case - did I goof up my facts? ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/11 "2005-02-17T02:31:50Z")
We all know that whoever first brings up comparisons to the Nazis in an argument, loses said argument. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/12 "2005-02-17T02:58:41Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > We all know that whoever first brings up comparisons to the Nazis in an argument, loses said argument. 🙂 That’s just the kind of argument a Nazi would make. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/13 "2005-02-17T02:59:47Z")
**GomiBoy** , you should try to avoid emotional replies when dealing with posters like **Shodan**. He deals in _insect_ politics. Once you engage on his level, you can’t win the debate unless you are willing to suspend your humanity. IMO (and I say this from experience), it’s not worth it. I pity those who succumb to it (including **Shodan** ). People like this _need_ to believe in what they defend, right or wrong. They’re invested. Unfortunately, like the difference between eggs and bacon, the lives their beliefs put at stake are not just invested, they’re _committed_ ( ie, the difference between chickens and pigs). Choose your battles more carefully (a lesson I’m still trying to master myself). ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/14 "2005-02-17T03:02:38Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I wasn’t banned. You were. They decided to just not tell you and let you keep posting forever. Just because. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/15 "2005-02-17T03:07:37Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > > [@Reeder](#): > > > > I wasn’t banned. > > You were. They decided to just not tell you and let you keep posting forever. Just because. **Reeder** , umm, yeah. We’re going to need you to move your desk. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/16 "2005-02-17T03:17:13Z")
> [@annaplurabelle](#): > > **GomiBoy** , you should try to avoid emotional replies when dealing with posters like **Shodan**. He deals in _insect_ politics. Once you engage on his level, you can’t win the debate unless you are willing to suspend your humanity. **IvaHD’s** sig line says pretty much the same thing. “Do not argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/17 "2005-02-17T03:31:06Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > You were. They decided to just not tell you and let you keep posting forever. Just because. I have no position in this discussion, but this line reminded me of the line in Office Space, “We fixed the glitch.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/18 "2005-02-17T04:00:02Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > **Reeder** , umm, yeah. We’re going to need you to move your desk. And yes, we’re doing it Saturday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/19 "2005-02-17T04:20:18Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > And yes, we’re doing it Saturday morning. Ah yes!! The corner office. About time if I must say so myself. ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439/20 "2005-02-17T07:09:43Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You have changed the tone from one of a hypothetical rebellion by the disaffected and the probable response by the citizens of that hypothetical situation to a direct question regarding when **Shodan** and his compatriots intend to carry out an already agreed upon plan of extermination with an allusion taken directly from the Nazi massacres. > > I doubt that you thought long and hard about the best way to insult **Shodan** and suspect that you simply reacted in the heat of the debate, but you did step over the line for **GD** posts. Thank you for the response. I did not intend to insult **Shodan** personally, as i actually kind of respect him and his views whilst disagreeing. I did intend to draw a parallel between his suggestion that rebels be jailed / hung with the Nazis, as I apparently misunderstood his comments. I understood him to be telling me that I would be jailed and / or hung for rebelling against the government, and that it would be ‘a good riddance’ if this happened, and responded in kind. If this stepped over the line for GD, then I apologize. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-can-i-ask-why-i-was-warned-in-gd-please/290439.md?page=2)