# tomndebb is a genocide denier **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 26, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561 "2014-08-26T16:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/41 "2014-08-26T19:57:59Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The Israelis killed the only known Palestinian named Jenny, and so are guilty of Jennycide. Indictment pending. Better call **Bricker.** ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/42 "2014-08-26T19:59:34Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > That last link includes the following comment from **tomndebb** :That proves it! Mods _are_ Nazis!!! :eek::smack::dubious: Or that they are parents. Parents are not interested in justice — they want QUIET! Bill Cosby ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/43 "2014-08-26T20:02:55Z")
I missed the genocidal massacre that is being denied. When did it happen, or is it still in the planning stages? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/44 "2014-08-26T20:11:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If Israel is a genocider, they have to be the worstest genocider, everrrrrrrrr. What with the Palestinian population growth rates being one of the highest in the world. Hell, a Palestinian in Syria is ten times more likely to be killed by Syria than a Palestinian in Palestine is to be killed by Israel. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/45 "2014-08-26T20:13:58Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I missed the genocidal massacre that is being denied. When did it happen, or is it still in the planning stages? Oh, it’s well past planning. It’s happening. Veeery veeery slowly and in small numbers so as nobody notices. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/46 "2014-08-26T20:18:47Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > He’s a known Jennycide Denier. Is that related to JennyMcCarthycide? You know. The ability to bring back dangerous and infectious diseases with a single tweet? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/47 "2014-08-26T20:46:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Good luck with that. To understand the effects of global warming we’d need some sort of effects _ **mastermind** _. Oh no you don’t, that’s just crazy talk … do you understand the trouble that could cause? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/48 "2014-08-26T20:54:57Z")
Obamacare: making Catholics pay for the free abortions for illegal aliens. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/49 "2014-08-26T22:31:52Z")
This would be laughable, if it weren’t so pathetic. The plight of the Palestinians is disturbing, but to call them victims of “genocide” is disgusting. Kind of like someone who gets a paper cut being called an injured war hero. Kind of like someone who gets a traffic ticket being called a victim of fascist oppression. The over-all effect is to cheapen the serious by screaming “Wolf!” every time a butterfly passes by. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/50 "2014-08-26T22:50:39Z")
And people say these discussions never go anywhere. Why, it’s [del]barely[/del] not even page two and we’ve already managed to agree that the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza falls somewhere between the Holocaust and a paper cut! We’ll have this whole thing hammered out in no time. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/51 "2014-08-26T23:06:35Z")
Now we just need to narrow down the range. Would you say the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza is more or less serious than a stubbed toe? Does it make a difference which toe? What if you lose the nail? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/52 "2014-08-26T23:06:46Z")
> [@jimbuff314](#): > > You gotta be joking! What about some even-handed, give-and-take convo on the most serious prob the humanity race faces. > > What about that GLOBAL WARMING??? You’re in luck. Right now, we’re preparing to detonate a very large volcano in Iceland that will take care of that little problem for the several years. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/53 "2014-08-26T23:09:30Z")
Post above: “…next several years”. > [@andros](#): > > Don’t make light of this, you insensitive prick. At least 8,675,309 people have been affected since 1981. But who can I turn to? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/54 "2014-08-26T23:17:48Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I wish I were being hyperbolic. Not as bad as the Nazi death camps, which isn’t and hasn’t been going on (no thanks to imbeciles calling for that), similar enough to the ghettos that the comparison is apt. Exactly as bad as the ghettos, no, but close enough that making a fine distinction would for me morally border on denial. Is the shithole that is Gaza well over the line of decency and well into genocide in my view of the facts and definition: hell yes. I wouldn’t want mine living that way. I wouldn’t want my enemies living that way. How do you feel about the allies carpet-bombing German cities (and all who lived in them) during WWII? Was Ike genocidal? Roosevelt? Or is it just the Jews you have a problem with? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/55 "2014-08-26T23:22:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [Certainly seems](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=564868) like **The Second Stone** has had [a thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=520365) against **tomndebb** for [quite a while](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=500491). Thanks for the links. I had forgotten those threads and that poster. Had I recalled his character–smugly self-righteous (though lacking any basis for that high opinion of himself), unable to deal with the factual world, incompetent in logic, convinced of his own correctness even when caught in error, and utterly incapable of perceiving anyone else’s perspective–I would have disengaged from that other thread sooner. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/56 "2014-08-27T01:11:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If Israel is guilty of attempted genocide, then so are pretty much all of its neighbors, the US, the UK, most of Europe, and most other countries in the entire world at some point in the last half-century. Most countries have killed as many or more people, and destroyed as much or more property, as Israel has in Palestine/Gaza. > > Which is why this is such ridiculous hyperbole. If this is attempted genocide, then there have been _dozens, if not hundreds_ of attempted genocides in the last 50 years. Yes. The US was at one point in time engaged in genocide of Native Americans. It was a brutal thing. The US is certainly funding the military operations related to Gaza, and thus guilty there. The UK has attempted genocide in many parts of the world. The Germans against the Jews. > [@Chefguy](#): > > How do you feel about the allies carpet-bombing German cities (and all who lived in them) during WWII? Was Ike genocidal? Roosevelt? Or is it just the Jews you have a problem with? Carpet bombing cities was mass murder, a violation of the Geneva Conventions, useless and evil. I notice that you think I have a problem with Jews. Let’s not confuse Israelis with Jews. Some Jews are Israelis, but not most Jews. Most Israelis are Jews, but not all Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/57 "2014-08-27T01:24:10Z")
> **[Genocide, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of - -...](http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm)** > > Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the U.N. General Assembly on 9 December 1948. Entry into force: 12 January 1951. Here is the 1948 UN definition of genocide > [@](#): > > Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: > > ``` > (a) Killing members of the group; > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. > > ``` Israel has done (a) (b) and (c) in Gaza. And we are still paying for it. The SDMB seems to have a determined contingent that demands only quick wholesale slaughter counts. That contingent can go stuff it. International law is clear. Looking over this list, I can’t speak to (d) and (e) as to Gaza. But seeing (d) does bring to mind another series of events linked to Israel. [Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots - Israel News - Haaretz.com](http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-admits-ethiopian-women-were-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519)[Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims](http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/) Under international law, that is a form of genocide. Destroying a people, in whole or in part, is genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/58 "2014-08-27T01:26:25Z")
Bullshit. Israel has not attempted to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. By your inane definition, the cop in Missouri who shot a black man committed genocide. Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/59 "2014-08-27T01:30:42Z")
Well, OK, how about genocide lite? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561/60 "2014-08-27T01:34:41Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > We could also use one on workplace griping. That would be good. How about one for minor annoyances that are just irritating enough to gripe about but not big enough for each to have its own thread? We could make it a monthly thing and give it a clever title each month relating to the current month. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-a-genocide-denier/696561.md?page=4)