# Tomndebb is lame **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056 "2009-01-06T06:25:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/1 "2009-01-06T06:25:43Z")
Here’s the thread in question: > **[Did FDR Will and Allow Pearl Harbor? Srdja Trifkovic's Take on the...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=499597)** > > In this article (forwarded to me by a paleoconservative friend), Srdja Trifkovic argues that FDR crafted US policy and tactical deployments to provoke and fail to prepare for a Japanese attack that would bring the United States into WWII. Trifkovic... Another right wing anti-Semitic whack job writes a blog article attacking FDR for causing Pearl Harbor and having it covered up by an alleged Jewish Conspiracy. I compare and contrast the main thesis of FDR’s policy and foreknowledge as compared to an even more infamous attack, namely 9/11. Noting the details of who, when and where one president had them and the other only vague notions, and how conservatives believe that FDR was an airtight conspiracy case and Bush could not have known. I did it to show how skewed they were in looking at the facts in the FDR case. It was unavoidable that I point out, again, what idiots the Bush people are. Tomndebb smack it down with this chestnut: > [@Did FDR Will and Allow Pearl Harbor? Srdja Trifkovic's Take on the Conspiracy Theory](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-fdr-will-and-allow-pearl-harbor-srdja-trifkovics-take-on-the-conspiracy-theory/479197/29): > > = = = = = > > Nothing in this thread requires that it be hijacked into an acrimonious squabble over current politics. If you have a need to link WWII to the Iraq War, open a new thread. > > [/Modding] Really? Really? My comparison is so out of left field that it is not really comparable and a hijacking? Since when is comparing similar sneak attacks and government adherence to warnings such a far stretch? Great Debates is Tomndebb’s forum, so I suppose that I’m done arguing this there, but really Tomndebb, if it’s not theology, I just laugh at your idea of what debate is about. I Pit thee with the fury of a 142 partial mosquito bites and beg you to repent on threat of excommunication if you repeat the offense while turning around three times. Jack Palance, no…Billy Crystal craps bigger than you. In his dreams. Is that all you’ve got? Really? :rolleyes::(:mad: Your moderation of a debate is utterly pathetic. You wouldn’t know a real world debate if it bit you on four butt cheeks. Hard. ---
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/2 "2009-01-06T06:53:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I Pit thee with the fury of a 142 partial mosquito bites and beg you to repent on threat of excommunication if you repeat the offense while turning around three times. Jack Palance, no…Billy Crystal craps bigger than you. In his dreams. Is that all you’ve got? Really? Your moderation of a debate is utterly pathetic. You wouldn’t know a real world debate if it bit you on four butt cheeks. Hard. Yeah. He told you. Double mod points in the Pitting contest for the phrase “four butt cheeks.” ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/3 "2009-01-06T07:03:27Z")
Why “partial”? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/4 "2009-01-06T07:04:46Z")
I haven’t even read the thread in question and I’m already against the OP. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/5 "2009-01-06T07:15:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I haven’t even read the thread in question and I’m already against the OP. **Bryan** , can I subscribe to YOUR newsletter? I got done made no sense of the OP neither. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/6 "2009-01-06T07:20:59Z")
As much and as often as I disagree with him, **tomndebb’s** actually a pretty cool guy. He didn’t want your silly lame-ass rant about Bush clogging up a thread that was intended to talk about something that happened sixty-five years ago. Good call, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/7 "2009-01-06T07:36:24Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Really? Really? My comparison is so out of left field that it is not really comparable and a hijacking? Yep. Pretty much. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Since when is comparing similar sneak attacks and government adherence to warnings such a far stretch? That was not your comparison. What you attempted was an off-topic rant about how the “Republicans” are always in the wrong based on a false equivalence of two separate actions sharing little more than surprise and harm. You are welcome to open a new thread to argue your crude analysis.\* You are not welcome to interrupt an existing thread discussing whether there was actually a conspiracy by FDR to encourage or permit the attack on Pearl Harbor with a separate rant about Republicans always being in the wrong. \*(Depending how much you rant, I cannot guarantee that it will not be moved to the Pit, but you can take your best shot.) ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/8 "2009-01-06T07:41:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Jack Palance, no…Billy Crystal craps bigger than you. In his dreams. I don’t really like getting involved in these sorts of threads but this line… it just boggles my mind. I can’t tell who or what you’re trying to insult there and why you chose these people… Would you want to be smaller than a turd? Or are we insulting Billy Crystal’s bowel movements here? And what’s Jack got to do with this? Was he the former champion of all large craps before BC took the title away from him? Does Tom care about the size of his crap? 😕 I just lost 5 mins of my time reading that simple statement over and over and probably lost a few braincells from it too. So well done- you got me with your odd phrasings. I can never have those 5 mins back. Cherish them for me. Anyways, continue on with your pitting /hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/9 "2009-01-06T07:50:37Z")
> [@Ro0sh](#): > > I don’t really like getting involved in these sorts of threads but this line… it just boggles my mind. I can’t tell who or what you’re trying to insult there and why you chose these people… Would you want to be smaller than a turd? Or are we insulting Billy Crystal’s bowel movements here? And what’s Jack got to do with this? Was he the former champion of all large craps before BC took the title away from him? Does Tom care about the size of his crap? 😕 Did you see _City Slickers_? If you did, is this a whoosh? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/10 "2009-01-06T08:11:37Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Yep. Pretty much. That was not your comparison. What you attempted was an off-topic rant about how the “Republicans” are always in the wrong based on a false equivalence of two separate actions sharing little more than surprise and harm. > > You are welcome to open a new thread to argue your crude analysis.\* You are not welcome to interrupt an existing thread discussing whether there was actually a conspiracy by FDR to encourage or permit the attack on Pearl Harbor with a separate rant about Republicans always being in the wrong. > \*(Depending how much you rant, I cannot guarantee that it will not be moved to the Pit, but you can take your best shot.) Well thank you for your offer, but the hospitality in your forum does not appeal to me enough to start a thread there. But you are most welcome at my house anytime. As long as you don’t violate your own rules of ever using an analogy the host does not like or whatever other rules strike me as a good idea as I continue to make them up as I go along. You’ve behaved boorishly with your authority. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/11 "2009-01-06T08:18:33Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Did you see _City Slickers_? If you did, is this a whoosh? Not everybody gets a cultural reference. But you came close enough. Palance actually delivered the insult while giving a speech accepting an Oscar from Host Billy Crystal with whom he had starred the year before in City Slickers, demonstrating one-handed push ups, etc. Note to readers. Just because you don’t get a joke doesn’t mean that an attempt wasn’t made. Explaining them will not help. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/12 "2009-01-06T08:24:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I haven’t even read the thread in question and I’m already against the OP. That’s not the point. Some asshole right wing anti-Semite takes a tired old swipe at FDR about Pearl Harbor, deserving of pretty much the same back, and gets it, and the mod gets all huffy about me being unfair to Republicans. I’m guessing that the mod is probably really a Democrat, a Harry Reid style democrat who is afraid that Democrats should not be seen to be giving as good as they get. Personally, I’d like to see Harry Reid get the boot. Al Franken for majority leader. I mean Sen. Al Franken. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/13 "2009-01-06T08:29:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > That’s not the point. Some asshole right wing anti-Semite takes a tired old swipe at FDR about Pearl Harbor, deserving of pretty much the same back, and gets it, and the mod gets all huffy about me being unfair to Republicans. I’m guessing that the mod is probably really a Democrat, a Harry Reid style democrat who is afraid that Democrats should not be seen to be giving as good as they get. > > Personally, I’d like to see Harry Reid get the boot. Al Franken for majority leader. I mean Sen. Al Franken. Note to OP’ers: not all readers are US citizens, and some of us might have no idea who or what the fuck you are talking about!! We might know about Pearl Harbour, and FDR, but the rest is just jibberish…wot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/14 "2009-01-06T08:39:42Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > That’s not the point. Well, actually, the point is that I’m favouring tom over you because you sound like a nut. ---
**Author:** ![Monstera\_deliciosa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monstera_deliciosa/32/109_2.png) [@Monstera\_deliciosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstera_deliciosa)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/15 "2009-01-06T10:54:52Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Not everybody gets a cultural reference. But you came close enough. Palance actually delivered the insult while giving a speech accepting an Oscar from Host Billy Crystal with whom he had starred the year before in City Slickers, demonstrating one-handed push ups, etc. > > Note to readers. Just because you don’t get a joke doesn’t mean that an attempt wasn’t made. Explaining them will not help. No, **H and R** is correct. The joke that Palance made at the Oscars was a direct reference to a line his character delivers in _City Slickers_. ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/16 "2009-01-06T13:14:23Z")
The OP fails to realise that: A) there exists a class of extremely annoying people whose Pet Fixation is so intensely held that they view the whole world through a Fixation coloured lens, and any subject, no matter how cognitively distant from said fixation, is to them but an opportunity to renurture their obsession; and B) he is a member of that class. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/17 "2009-01-06T13:33:14Z")
As a long-time Birchite-lite Conspiracy buff, it was the “Bush knew” crowd that got me having second thoughts about how much FDR did know in advance about Pearl Harbor. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/18 "2009-01-06T13:50:13Z")
I think **tomndebb** got it right. It was legitimate to mention 9/11, but the problem is that **Second Stone** couldn’t resist the urge to get a political jab into his or her post. My opinion only. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/19 "2009-01-06T14:24:18Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Did you see _City Slickers_? If you did, is this a whoosh? _Seen_ it? I’ve dedicated my life to its teachings! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/20 "2009-01-06T14:42:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > What you attempted was an off-topic rant about how the “Republicans” are always in the wrong based on a false equivalence of two separate actions sharing little more than surprise and harm. It seems to me that you’ve just characterized practically every political post in GD from Der Trihs, and essentially his posts in general. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056.md?page=2)