# Tomndebb is lame **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056 "2009-01-06T06:25:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 49
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056/49 "2009-01-06T23:50:14Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Bullshit. It’s either fair to draw the parallel, which I did, or not. Did I take a snipe afterwards at Bush. Yeah, but so what. Der Tris, Elucidator and Shodan would be allowed to do it. Order applied unequally is neither order nor justice. It’s chaos. Actually, had Der Trihs or Elucidator posted the same thing you did, they’d have probably received the same admonition. (Shodan could not have done it regarding Bush, and would have had to find a way to attack someonme on the Left.) You have misunderstood my comments to Liberal. I took the opportunity of Liberal’s observation to make a broader point. We have one poster who is under a bit of restriction regarding what he may post in GD. I rather frequently get questions as to why I do not impose similar (or harsher) conditions on a different poster. I posted my rationale, then noted two reasons for permitting some posters to express themselves intemperately–despite the feelings of some other posters. On the one hand, despite their ability to raise hackles, they generally did not cause threads to jump the rails. On the other hand, there is a danger of creating an ever-widening ripple of censorship. If I restrict Poster A, his partisans will demand that I censor Poster B. If I accede to their demands, then partisans of Poster B will insist that Poster C is equally deserving of restraint. If I limit Poster C, then his partisans will seek out a poster D to be restrained, etc. By this point, my general observations had moved well beyond your little interruption and you are not even being included in my comments. (In fact, you were not mentioned in any part of my reply to Liberal, other than being one of hundreds who have, from time to time, submitted posts that were liable to cause disruptive hijacks.) > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > My primary purpose was to point out that the shot being made at FDR was far less well based than one could be made at Bush and his supporters about 9/11, which Polycarp has agreed to as far as Bush goes, but not as far as Republicans in general go. What seems to be the focus is that I can’t go on to point out that the sort of scum who level this assertion at FDR ignore much better evidence against the Bush regime. Well, at least we agree that you were posting an off-topic comment. You apparently refuse to see it, of course, because it was your off-topic comment, but here we have your admission, despite the fact that you choose to deny it later in your post. The issue of whether FDR conspired to encourage or permit a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor is not the same as whether “conservatives” (actually, very different humans 60 years apart), suffer some ethical lapse that causes them to attack FDR on that point while defending GWB from similar charges. “FDR knew” is a conspiracy theorist concept, not a conservative one. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > But had others done it, specifically Der Tris, Elucidator and Shodan, you, by your own admission would have done nothing with the mod hat on. Absolutely incorrect, for the reasons I noted, above. (You also missed the ellipsis. I did not name three posters who habitually hijack threads and get away with it. I specifically named two additional posters (among several others), about whom I have received challenges to their right to post despite the fact that they do not (generally) cause hijacks. I could have named five or seven or more, but I figured adding two would be sufficiently illustrative.) > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Ultimately the issue is that the idiotic and time worn assertion that FDR knew about and caused etc. Pearl Harbor by right wing nutjobs really only has the answer that I made. I’m not going to repeat it in your forum because you have asked me not to in a particular thread. Perhaps to protect the delicate sensibilities of conspiracy theorist nutjob Republicans. I’m not going to open a new thread on it because it is a supporting argument that I don’t care to debate in full. Particularly not in your forum. I am incensed at this idea of disposing of justice in favor of order and treating different posters differently. And just the bizarre calling of a one time non-belabored point a “disruptive hijacking”. Had you stopped short at simply noting that FDR and GWB were both accused of similar conspiracies, your post would not have attracted my attention. Your deliberate effort to maker it a “conservative” issue changes the both the content and the tenor of your post. Note that I did not respond to your entire post. I specifically quoted the following paragraph for criticism. > [@Did FDR Will and Allow Pearl Harbor? Srdja Trifkovic's Take on the Conspiracy Theory](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-fdr-will-and-allow-pearl-harbor-srdja-trifkovics-take-on-the-conspiracy-theory/479197/28): > > There was no “Hirohito likely to attack US targets with carrier based planes next month” memo, so by conservative standards, who let Bush off completely with “Bin Ladin determined to attack US with hijacked planes next month” (or whatever), the conservatives can finally shut up with their conspiracy theories. But they won’t. Had Der Trihs or Elucidator (or Tamerlane or Ed Zotti) posted that paragraph, they would have received exactly the same wrist tap. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-lame/480056)._