# Tomndebb is one weaselly mother fucker… **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2007, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569 "2007-03-12T06:48:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/501 "2007-03-15T16:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] I think **badchad** must have contacted **Meatros** privately - prompting him to consider returning - I think that’s what he’s talking about there, **Jodi** [/quote] Possible but IMO unlikely. **Meatros** said “I found out through the grape vine that Badchad was taking credit for my deconversion so I wanted to set the record straight.” That doesn’t sound to me like he heard from **badchad** , though I may be wrong. > [@Mangetout](#): > > (although it’s clear he does disagree with **Meatros** ’ denial that he was instrumental in his deconversion). Right, because how could **Meatros** possibly know? It’s only his own life. How desperate for credit do you have to be? And how obnoxious is this: “I didn’t cross the street because of you.” “I think you did.” “Well, I didn’t.” “Yes you did.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/502 "2007-03-15T16:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] My arguments are sincere. [/QUOTE] Wax is not the only thing they lack. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/503 "2007-03-15T16:26:48Z")
Looks like I was wrong about that, in which case the claim for credit in his return is just… bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/504 "2007-03-15T16:28:03Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Possible but IMO unlikely. **Meatros** said “I found out through the grape vine that Badchad was taking credit for my deconversion so I wanted to set the record straight.” That doesn’t sound to me like he heard from **badchad** , though I may be wrong. [/quote] I didn’t contact **Meatros** but he obviously came back cause of what I said. It might not be the best business practice for the SDMB, but it sure beats paying someone $500 to leave. > [@](#): > > Right, because how could **Meatros** possibly know? It’s only his own life. How desperate for credit do you have to be? And how obnoxious is this: “I didn’t cross the street because of you.” “I think you did.” “Well, I didn’t.” “Yes you did.” :rolleyes: It’s more of the variety of. I saw you on the other side of the street, I was calling for you, and now you are here. Sure it could be entirely coincidental. I could be wrong, I just don’t think so. Incidentally Jodi, what do you think about **Meatros** reasons for leaving the faith, as cited in his second link. Are they irrational? Do you see any obvious strengths or weaknesses? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/505 "2007-03-15T16:28:56Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Looks like I was wrong about that, in which case the claim for credit in his return is just… bizarre. [/QUOTE] No, he is right, by being a ‘jerk’, BC indirectly brought a poster out of retirement to refute him. That is $14.95 paid to the SDMB due to BC. Give him credit where credit is due. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/506 "2007-03-15T16:30:18Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] And how obnoxious is this: “I didn’t cross the street because of you.” “I think you did.” “Well, I didn’t.” “Yes you did.” :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] You forgot: “I crossed the street because I felt like it.” “Cite.” “What?” “Exactly, besides, I don’t think you actually crossed the road.” “Then why am I standing here?” “Cite.” “I’m right here.” “Because I made you.” (bows to assumed, hypothetical and adoring crowd) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/507 "2007-03-15T17:04:09Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] Are you really going to argue that being stupid and being a fool are different? Or are you just arguing tenses. [/QUOTE] No. I am pointing out that talking about someone’s stupidity is not the same thing as calling them “Fool.” Even saying that someone is a fool is different than calling them “Fool.” (And even that allows for interpretation, which I am not sure should be permitted based on your previous exercises of demanding literal readings.) Specifically, the statement that Jesus made was that one would be in trouble for calling another person _Rhaka_, and the author of Matthew’s gospel did not even translate it out of the Aramaic, meaning–following your insistence on the literal acceptance of scripture–that the bad things come into play if one _names_ his brother “Fool” (not **a** fool), or, more probably, based on your way of reading scripture, only if one names one’s brother _Rhaka_. Given that Monty has not ever named you _Rhaka_, you lie when you claim that he has disobeyed Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/508 "2007-03-15T17:38:03Z")
I’ve been trying to stay away, mostly becuae there are now three threads in the pit directly on indirectly relating to **badchad** , and I don’t know if the hamsters can take much more. I have a question to **badchad** , though: Why are you here? Why do you pay to post at the SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/509 "2007-03-15T17:48:51Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] I’m glad to have been a factor, if not an overt one. As I said, I’m not sure you would give me any credit, since I recall you didn’t like me none too much. And yes, I realize our claims about my influence are of the unfalsifiable sort, so I’ll just say the timing was very coincidental, and so was our subject matter, as I don’t recall anyone else putting the screws to your type of faith at that time. No, we did have numerous discourses. I think I remember them pretty well. I think you took offence to having the gall to say faith was a bad thing. I bet that sounds funny to you now. Yeah, you did. You know I’d be inclined to take you at your word, however when I read the second link you post above, I don’t see you talking much about astrology but rather a list of objections which look very familiar to the ones I was making to you in our discussion and right beside you (in the same thread) as I was talking to **Polycarp** and others. I’d encourage anyone to go back and read that stuff, as I really think that was some of my best work. Glad to see you back, and lets chalk up $14.95 to the SDMB, for me. You will admit I was the primary influenced there, right? [/QUOTE] For several reasons, this strikes me as the most pathetic thing I’ve read in a long, long time. I’m reminded of the departed **Scott Plaid** , but he, unlike **Misfired Sperm** (TM Liberal), had many interests. The similarities I see are the baseless declarations of victory and the apparent validation derived therefrom. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/510 "2007-03-15T18:08:52Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] I didn’t contact **Meatros** but he obviously came back cause of what I said. It might not be the best business practice for the SDMB, but it sure beats paying someone $500 to leave. [/quote] I’m not sure it _does_ beat paying someone to leave. Mischaracterizing someone’s motivations so that they feel provoked to come back and prove you a liar doesn’t strike me as a great way to reattract members. > [@](#): > > It’s more of the variety of. I saw you on the other side of the street, I was calling for you, and now you are here. Sure it could be entirely coincidental. I could be wrong, I just don’t think so. Once an explanation has been given showing that you are incorrect, to imply that **Meatros** is being dishonest in that explanation is incredibly presumptuous and insulting – IOW, par for the course for you. And spare us the oily “I’m inclined to take you at your word” when the whole point of your post was that you are _not_ taking him at his word. When you choose to be an asshole, own it. > [@](#): > > Incidentally Jodi, what do you think about **Meatros** reasons for leaving the faith, as cited in his second link. Are they irrational? Do you see any obvious strengths or weaknesses? I think his reasons for leaving the faith are his business and I wouldn’t dream of sitting in judgment of them. He certainly hasn’t asked for my opinion. What do you think about your errorneous insistence that “rhaka” and “metos” are synonyms? When can we expect to see your concession that you are wrong about them being synonyms in Greek, and weaselly to insist that they be translated to English to try to _make_ them synonymous? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/511 "2007-03-15T18:37:00Z")
A lot of people are in disagreement as to whether there is a god or not. A lot of people are in agreement that badchad is a cunt. Thank you, badchad, for helping unite people. Now please do us a further favor, and fucko off. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/512 "2007-03-15T19:15:45Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] I’d encourage anyone to go back and read that stuff, as I really think that was some of my best work. [/QUOTE] Oh my god! 😃 Well, since we’re sharing… [My best prepositional phrase.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best metaphor.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best usage of punctuation.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best subjunctive interrogative.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best presentation of tabular data.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best refutation of Special Relativity.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best solution to the Riemann zeta-hypothesis](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/513 "2007-03-15T19:18:41Z")
“And for our pony’s **next** trick…” [QUOTE=badchad] Incidentally Jodi, what do you think about **Meatros** reasons for leaving the faith, as cited in his second link. Are they irrational? Do you see any obvious strengths or weaknesses? [/QUOTE] “Mommy, the pony just did the same trick **again.** This show sucks.” “Hush, child.” ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/514 "2007-03-15T19:21:34Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] [My best solution to the Riemann zeta-hypothesis](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [/QUOTE] A lovely little proof! But you forgot to pay for webhosting, and now I can’t acess it anymore. I don’t suppose you kept a backup copy? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/515 "2007-03-15T19:29:13Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Oh my god! 😃 Well, since we’re sharing… [My best prepositional phrase.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best metaphor.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best usage of punctuation.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best subjunctive interrogative.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best presentation of tabular data.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best refutation of Special Relativity.](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [My best solution to the Riemann zeta-hypothesis](http://www.self-aggrandizingjackass.com/) [/QUOTE] You forgot [your best summation of the nature of Misfired Sperm](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8094099&postcount=1) . Don’t be so modest. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/516 "2007-03-15T19:43:53Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] I’m glad to have been a factor, if not an overt one. As I said, I’m not sure you would give me any credit, since I recall you didn’t like me none too much. And yes, I realize our claims about my influence are of the unfalsifiable sort, so I’ll just say the timing was very coincidental, and so was our subject matter, as I don’t recall anyone else putting the screws to your type of faith at that time. [/QUOTE] This will be the third time I’ve attempted to post here - so forgive me if my responses are short. I would give you credit for my deconversion if I thought you deserved it. To be quite honest though, I don’t really think our interactions were terribly influencial on me. That’s probably because although I thought I was quite open minded about my religious tendencies, I really wasn’t. To put it simply, the _Christian_ you targeted in our discussion simply wasn’t the Christian I was and further, you didn’t seem to want to engage the Christian I, in fact, was, so I pretty much shrugged a lot of what you had to say off. As for anyone else putting the screws to my faith - people putting screws to my faith only reinforced it (that sounds odd, but what I mean is that they made me defensive, but not _critical_) and as a matter of fact, quite a lot of people were grilling me about my faith at the time. For instance, I would consider the people at the baptist board as being prime grillers. I went back and forth with them for months and believe it or not, but even though they were stark fundies I could relate with them better (and therefore I was more receptive to them). Also, I’m not entirely sure we talked prior to my atheism. I deconverted in Sept 03 and didn’t “come out” until after my wedding in November (I did tell my wife prior though) and I seem to recall coming out in January, but I could be wrong. I do recall being secretly an atheist while reading some of your posts though - I’m just not sure if I remember reading _all_ of your posts as an atheist. [QUOTE=badchad] No, we did have numerous discourses. I think I remember them pretty well. I think you took offence to having the gall to say faith was a bad thing. I bet that sounds funny to you now. [/QUOTE] Perhaps our definitions are different. At the time I wasn’t putting in all that many hours at the Dope. I was primarily engaged at baptist board, the vampire forums, Christian forums, darwintalk, and another forum that I can’t recall anymore. I remember a few engagements with you. As for faith - I still don’t think it’s a _bad_ thing. Well, at least not definitively. I don’t think it’s quite as useful or helpful as I once did. Granted I can definitely see the appeal when people die. I think in that sort of situation faith can be an emotional solace and can be useful and good in that kind of context. [QUOTE=badchad] Yeah, you did. [/QUOTE] Fair enough. [QUOTE=badchad] You know I’d be inclined to take you at your word, however when I read the second link you post above, I don’t see you talking much about astrology [/QUOTE] I have no reason to lie to you. As I said, the astrology link shows what shook my faith. Without that shaking, I would probably still be a theist today. The important point was not the information, it was the fact that it was the first time in my life I considered the proposition that I could be totally and dreadfully wrong (not just wrong in my\* interpretation\*). The second link occurred after I had spent quite an intensive period reading philosophy and Christian history. I found, at the time, those were the stones that took the giant down. [QUOTE=badchad] but rather a list of objections which look very familiar to the ones I was making to you in our discussion and right beside you (in the same thread) as I was talking to Polycarp and others. I’d encourage anyone to go back and read that stuff, as I really think that was some of my best work. [/QUOTE] I certainly didn’t plagarize from you if that’s what you are implying and I don’t recall discussions of that sort with you. Maybe we had them, but those objections came mainly from the readings I had done in those few weeks. [QUOTE=badchad] Glad to see you back, and lets chalk up $14.95 to the SDMB, for me. You will admit I was the primary influenced there, right? [/QUOTE] Heh, yes, I’d chalk that up to you - but I’d have to give credit to my friend who still posts here. He’s occasionally told me about some interesting discussions on the dope that made me really curious - but I don’t know, it wasn’t until I realized that not only do some people still remember me, but some people are remembering me incorrectly. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/517 "2007-03-15T19:47:06Z")
This devolving thread reminds me of this nugget of wisdom: [Would you rather](http://www.gerryfisher.com/soapbox/2005-5-soapbox.pdf) [be right,](http://ezinearticles.com/?Would-You-Rather-Be-Right-Or-Happy?&id=411789) [or be happy?](http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Always-Having-to-Be-Right-Can-Poison-Your-Marriage&id=158517) Although this quote is from a marital relationships article, it still holds true for friends, cow-orkers and even fellow Dopers: > [@](#): > > **From 3rd article:** > There is a much-quoted question that asks, “Would you rather be right or would you rather be happy?” The implication is that you cannot be focused on being right and also have happy relationships with others. > > Having to be right alienates the other person. And there’s certainly truth in Jules Renard’s advice that “If you are afraid of being lonely, don’t try to be right.” > > Good communication is dependent on both partners feeling safe to express their individual viewpoints without being criticized or put down. If one spouse belittles the other one, or shows disrespect for his or her opinions, meaningful communication will not be possible. > > Good communication involves the ability to listen to someone without interrupting them or telling them they are wrong. When spouses have good communication skills, they can listen to each other and show respect for the viewpoints expressed, even when they strongly disagree. > > According to Epictetus, “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” By listening intently and having a sense of curiosity, you can remain open to your partner while continuing to learn more about him (or her). > > But first you have to realize that you do not have all the right answers to everything. No one does. According to Lord David Cecil, “The first step to knowledge is to know that we are ignorant.” > > \*\*It is arrogant for a spouse to think that his (or her) opinions are always the right ones. It is arrogant to think that there is no value in listening to others and opening up to new viewpoints and approaches. It is arrogant to put others down because they differ in how they think. > > You are showing others your own limitations and insecurities if you demand that they admit you are right and they are wrong. “When you judge others, you do not define them; you define yourself,”\*\* observed Earl Nightingale. > > One of the marks of intelligence is to know what you do not know and to realize that there is always more to be learned. One of the marks of emotional maturity is to be able to admit when you are wrong, don’t have all the answers, or need to apologize. It has been said that the five most essential words for a healthy, vital relationship are, “I apologize,” and “You are right.” Bolding mine. On one side, I see a poster who wants to be right, no matter what it takes, and is sacrificing (or has already sacrificed) his happiness to be “right”. On the other side, I see the rest of SD posters realizing that it is better to be “happy” rather than “right” at all costs. They also realize that there is greater value in happiness rather than being “right” at all costs, or at least agreeing to disagree. I see one _very_ unhappy poster, and I encourage the rest of you to avoid his poison. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/518 "2007-03-15T19:50:17Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Well, sure he will! You can totally see the admission of your influence, right where he said _“My deconversion didn’t really have anything to do with you . . . I’d say you were no more a factor then any other atheist I might have encountered”_ and _“In summary, you didn’t lead me to deconvert Badchad”_. Put another one in the “win” column. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Heh, as I said, I don’t think he was instrumental or much of an influence in my deconversion. I won’t rule out _any_ influence what-so-ever because I’m sure he and other atheists did have some sort of subconscious influence or marginal influence or whatever (about as effective as George Carlin, if that helps as a reference point) - but I certainly can’t be used as an example of a ‘win’ for Badchad, since his over all style ultimately made me blind to his criticisms. I remember ignoring them and glancing over them and thinking, ‘he just doesn’t get it’. Now, as for influencing my return…Yes, he can say he influenced that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/519 "2007-03-15T19:51:42Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Or possibly someone else Emailed **Meatros** that badchad was spreading misinformation about him and thus this led to **Meatros** signing back up. ETA: I suspect this is not a business model that the SDMB is striving towards. Jim [/QUOTE] This is more along the line of my thinking… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/520 "2007-03-15T19:55:11Z")
[QUOTE=Meatros] I certainly can’t be used as an example of a ‘win’ for Badchad… [/QUOTE] Apparently some people don’t agree with that. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569.md?page=27)