# Tomndebb is one weaselly mother fucker… **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2007, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569 "2007-03-12T06:48:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/121 "2007-03-13T05:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I’m not siding with badchad by any means but I feel the need to point out that these kinds of attitudes are the dividing gap between him and most dopers, and it will never be closed by either side. Posts like these can be just as provocative as much of what badchad, et al post. [/QUOTE] Well, I honestly don’t see how it could possibly be as provocative. There is a great difference between personally respecting the concept of a god and acknowledging that _other people_ respect the concept. Common politeness should prevent you (general you) from being intentionally extremely offensive about something that is extremely important to someone else – something that is, as **Zoe** put it, literally sacred to them. This does not require you to accord the idea an equal amount of respect, or indeed any respect at all; it only requires you to understand that, yes, the concept really does exist _as a concept_ and really is that important to a lot of other people. There’s a lot of room between “Jesus is [insert most provocatively rude insult you can think of]” and “Jesus is Lord.” Refraining from the former doesn’t automatically put you in the camp of the latter, and you are not required to endorse the former in order to avoid endorsing the latter. You can be an atheist, even a vocal and passionate one, and still be minimally mindful of the feelings of others. Do you _have_ to be? Of course not. You can be a big ol’ jerk instead. But the fact that religion is the subject under discussion doesn’t make you _less_ of a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/122 "2007-03-13T05:06:04Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] That may be true, but if somebody disses Bear Bryant, it’s on. 😃 [/QUOTE] Why bring up that old drunk? 'Da Bahr has been dead for 25 years now and I ain’t missed him for one minute. D & R ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/123 "2007-03-13T05:06:26Z")
In other words, calling someone’s god a cunt is equivelent to calling someone’s mother a cunt. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/124 "2007-03-13T05:07:03Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Tom, Here’s the crux of the matter, really, IMHO: You stated in this thread that 'chad has admitted to trolling. [/quote] This is a lie of **tom’s**. I have never admitted trolling. You should ask him for a cite before you offer your conclusion. I have always maintained that my goal is to fight ignorance. > [@](#): > > In this thread, though, he’s said he has broken no rules. I haven’t broken any rules. I gave **tom** shit, in the pit just as he suggested. The pit is the place for **“ flaming other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for unleashing reasoned vitriol too heated for the other forums.”** That’s what the rules say. In fact I was exactly following the pit rules, in the pit, when Frank thought it fair to suspend me. So what’s your problem **Monty**. Do my criticisms just hit too close to your heart? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/125 "2007-03-13T05:09:45Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] If this is really a rule, then why isn’t it written, you know, in the rules? [/QUOTE] Probably the same reason new laws keep getting passed and enacted. There are some things that seem obvious to almost everyone, but a new rule/law is sometimes needed because enough of you misfits require it. I have a feeling a **badchad law** isn’t far away. I also think it’s overdue. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/126 "2007-03-13T05:12:56Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] There are some things that seem obvious to almost everyone, but a new rule/law is sometimes needed because enough of you misfits require it. [/QUOTE] That’s fine if **tom** wants to make up new rules, but he really should post them before he enforces them. And he really shouldn’t imply that the rule has always been in force, when it hasn’t. Or do you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/127 "2007-03-13T05:13:09Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] So what’s your problem **Monty**. Do my criticisms just hit too close to your heart? [/QUOTE] Yeah, Monty. What are you, some kinda modder-lover? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/128 "2007-03-13T05:25:03Z")
[QUOTE=Alessan] In other words, calling someone’s god a cunt is equivelent to calling someone’s mother a cunt. [/QUOTE] Only if your mother is a god. Just because a person doesn’t believe in any god doesn’t mean that person doesn’t know what a god is. And it’s not a historical figure or a leader or your sweet sainted mum. What the hell is so hard about this? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/129 "2007-03-13T05:35:14Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Only if your mother is a god. Just because a person doesn’t believe in any god doesn’t mean that person doesn’t know what a god is. And it’s not a historical figure or a leader or your sweet sainted mum. What the hell is so hard about this? [/QUOTE] You can honestly look me in the username and tell me you don’t understand how this is provocative? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/130 "2007-03-13T05:55:56Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] This is a lie of **tom’s**. I have never admitted trolling. You should ask him for a cite before you offer your conclusion. I have always maintained that my goal is to fight ignorance. [/QUOTE] [Citation](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7907346&postcount=591): [QUOTE=badchad] [Quote=Polycarp] Whatever else he may have accomplished in this world, he has made a place I derived great pleasure in repartee from for over six years into a place I tend not to spend much time in. I hope that accords with his goals in life. [/quote] Believe me, it does. [/QUOTE] Now, once **badchad** recognized what he had said, he backpedalled like nobody’s business, claiming that he was only happy that **Polycarp** posted less frequently on _religious_ topics. However, one will note that he made no such actual statement in this exchange. **Polycarp** noted that his entire experience on the SDMB had been diminished by **badchad** ’s harrassment and expressed the thought that he hoped that that diminution of pleasure and his withdrawal from the (entire) SDMB was in accord with **badchad** ’s life goals, to which **badchad** simply responded with a fervent affirmation. **badchad** made no qualifications regarding the topics that he was happy **Polycarp** avoided. **Polycarp** said that he avoided the SDMB because of **badchad** and **badchad** said that made him happy. ([**Polycarp** ’s original post to which **badchad** was responding.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7901933#post7901933) Note, also, that each of them posted several times between **Poly** ’s original statement and **badchad** ’s eventual response. This was not a quick back and forth volley in which **badchad** might have posted with insufficient clarity in the haste of the moment. This was a specific effort to go back, find an earlier post, consider it, and respond.) I stand by my assertion that **badchad** admitted trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/131 "2007-03-13T06:24:19Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Only if your mother is a god. Just because a person doesn’t believe in any god doesn’t mean that person doesn’t know what a god is. And it’s not a historical figure or a leader or your sweet sainted mum. What the hell is so hard about this? [/QUOTE] Huh. I thought I was agreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/132 "2007-03-13T06:28:41Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] [Citation](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7907346&postcount=591):Now, once **badchad** recognized what he had said, he backpedalled like nobody’s business, claiming that he was only happy that **Polycarp** posted less frequently on _religious_ topics. However, one will note that he made no such actual statement in this exchange. **Polycarp** noted that his entire experience on the SDMB had been diminished by **badchad** ’s harrassment and expressed the thought that he hoped that that diminution of pleasure and his withdrawal from the (entire) SDMB was in accord with **badchad** ’s life goals, to which **badchad** simply responded with a fervent affirmation. **badchad** made no qualifications regarding the topics that he was happy **Polycarp** avoided. **Polycarp** said that he avoided the SDMB because of **badchad** and **badchad** said that made him happy. [/quote] **Tom** you are a piece of shit. In said thread **Lord Ashtar** cited the straight dope administrations definition of a troll. And I quote: “ **Troll** – This is general internet usage for “somebody who is posting just to be confrontational or to raise hackles.” See Staff Report: What is a troll?.” You will note that nowhere in said definition does it say that a troll is someone who takes a certain pleasure in silencing his opposition, particularly when said person feels that his opposition promotes ignorance. Nowhere does it say I can’t find pleasure in what I consider as a job well done in the fight of ignorace. Does it **tom**? Or in other words, you **tom** are a fucking liar. I don’t fit the definition of a troll as per this boards own use, and no I never admitted to be a troll. And no, I didn’t backpedal one iota from my statement. **And while I again have your attention, why don’t you cite for me the rule I allegedly broke, when I suggested you and braintree hash out your differences in a new thread. Can’t do it can ya**? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/133 "2007-03-13T06:33:36Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] **And while I again have your attention, why don’t you cite for me the rule I allegedly broke, when I suggested you and braintree hash out your differences in a new thread. Can’t do it can ya**? [/QUOTE] Heck, even _I_ know that “lawn chair” posts, i.e. encouraging others to go at it for the sheer entertainment value, is frowned on. I have, though, done this myself on several occasions and got away with it because I’m way more clever than you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/134 "2007-03-13T06:34:40Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] This is a lie of **tom’s**. I have never admitted trolling. You should ask him for a cite before you offer your conclusion. I have always maintained that my goal is to fight ignorance. [/quote] While I was in class teaching, **tomndebb** demonstrated that you had, in fact, admitted to breaking the site rules. He even quoted where you admitted that trolling, not fighting ignorance, was your goal with regard to **Polycarp**. You are now trolling with regard to me with your irrelevant comments in this thread about me and my faith. > [@](#): > > I haven’t broken any rules. I gave **tom** shit, in the pit just as he suggested. Not that you’ll understand this, but the trolling you admitted to did not have **tomndebb** as your announced target. That target was **Polycarp** and the trolling wasn’t carried out in the Pit. > [@](#): > > The pit is the place for **“ flaming other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for unleashing reasoned vitriol too heated for the other forums.”** That’s what the rules say. In fact I was exactly following the pit rules, in the pit, when Frank thought it fair to suspend me. Actually, as you had admitted and now deny, you weren’t following the rules in the other fora and that’s why TPTB suspended you. > [@](#): > > So what’s your problem **Monty**. Do my criticisms just hit too close to your heart? My problem with you is that you’re a troll. You’re also incredibly dishonest. Your trolling against me in this thread–your so-called criticism–is completely irrelevant to the single issue of **tomndebb** not being as you have characterized him. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/135 "2007-03-13T06:45:15Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] While I was in class teaching, **tomndebb** demonstrated that you had, in fact, admitted to breaking the site rules. He even quoted where you admitted that trolling, not fighting ignorance, was your goal with regard to **Polycarp**. [/quote] You’re stupid. I never admitted to trolling **Polycarp** as my last post and **tom’s** cite demonstrates. > [@](#): > > Not that you’ll understand this, but the trolling you admitted to did not have **tomndebb** as your announced target. That target was **Polycarp** and the trolling wasn’t carried out in the Pit. **Tom’s** cite was in the pit you dipshit. > [@](#): > > Actually, as you had admitted and now deny, you weren’t following the rules in the other fora and that’s why TPTB suspended you. Actually the incident that led to my suspension was never identified. > [@](#): > > My problem with you is that you’re a troll. You’re also incredibly dishonest. Your trolling against me in this thread–your so-called criticism–are completely irrelevant to the single issue of **tomndebb** not being as you have characterized him. You’re a liar on all counts. You accusing me of dishonsty is rich indeed. Kind of like when you, as a Mormon, questioned my rationality. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/136 "2007-03-13T06:46:46Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Heck, even _I_ know that “lawn chair” posts, i.e. encouraging others to go at it for the sheer entertainment value, is frowned on. I have, though, done this myself on several occasions and got away with it because I’m way more clever than you. [/QUOTE] When did I say they should go at it for “sheer entertainment value?” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/137 "2007-03-13T06:50:58Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] I haven’t broken any rules. I gave **tom** shit, in the pit just as he suggested. The pit is the place for **“ flaming other members, complaining about the board, its moderators or their moderating actions, or for unleashing reasoned vitriol too heated for the other forums.”** That’s what the rules say. In fact I was exactly following the pit rules, in the pit, when Frank thought it fair to suspend me. [/QUOTE] Isn’t part of being let back in an admittance of having done wrong? Or if not, isn’t this proof that being suspended didn’t do anything? Time to ban, please. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/138 "2007-03-13T06:57:24Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] When did I say they should go at it for “sheer entertainment value?” [/QUOTE] Well, I certainly didn’t assume you were interested in the ontological analysis. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/139 "2007-03-13T07:07:37Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Well, I certainly didn’t assume you were interested in the ontological analysis. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you should ask rather than assume. Also, I want to apologize to **frank** for identifying him as the person who suspended it me. It was **fluiddruid** who did so, citing the all fitting “don’t be a jerk rule” but did not specify a single action I did that was against any listed rule. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569/140 "2007-03-13T07:10:45Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] Perhaps you should ask rather than assume. [/QUOTE] So you were honestly interested in the subject of the proposed discussion and not simply trying to goad tomndebb into a situation where you would call him a weasel for refusing and a fool (had he accepted) for trying to defend and define something that is a matter of faith and not fact? Don’t bother saying “yes” because I’ll just chuckle at the obvious lie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-is-one-weaselly-mother-fucker/395569.md?page=8)