# tomndebb, please explain why I was noted for saying Jew-bros. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 31, 2015, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248 "2015-10-31T08:26:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/201 "2015-11-02T02:16:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Not particularly, no. I mean, I _get_ that you’re trying to find a South African insult that actually fits me, but none of those are actually correct, so it just comes across as a fail, insult-wise. Sorry. Do you need some help finding ones that _would_ apply? You think that’s hard, try coming up with one for the Belgians. Monty Python had a contest: [http://youtu.be/PrvXoin9NcA](http://youtu.be/PrvXoin9NcA) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/202 "2015-11-02T05:03:55Z")
> [@Grotonian](#): > > Really? Social media is blowing up with stories of how the party hosted jointly by two fraternities was really just the fault of the Jews? Nope. Of course, that’s not what I said. > [@](#): > > I haven’t seen any of those. I’m sure you and I have very different social media spheres. > [@](#): > > Perhaps you have a link? No, I’m not going to link you to my social media feed. > [@](#): > > So there are no Pike chapters, anywhere, with decent, respectful, young men of varied backgrounds? There might be. Evidence says not, though. When [the bad chapters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Kappa_Alpha#Controversies) occur from California to Florida and Illinois to Texas, and the flyover bits inbetween, I’d say “shitty” can be applied to the whole frat, yes. > [@](#): > > That’s good to know. Ignorance fought. I’m sure your personal frat experience trumps the numerous cited violations. Go ahead, enlighten me… > [@](#): > > You know, one reason to ignore the Pikes might be because they are all, everywhere, unalloyed douchebags. Another reason to ignore the Pikes might be because that then leaves the Jews solely responsible for the party; and a convenient target for someone who chooses to attack them alone. I’m happy to attack Kappa all you like. > [@](#): > > I know you, of course, wouldn’t do that, but some people on the Internet might. When I receive an invitation with more than one host listed, I consider all named hosts to actually be hosts. I don’t sort them by their religion. I don’t sort by religion, I ignore by proven record of shittiness and focus on the hopefully redeemable - AEPi not having quite the record for shittiness that PiKE does, and their immediate positive response to being called out, makes them a more appropriate target for directing ire at. PiKE is a lost cause. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/203 "2015-11-02T05:21:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Are all those Jewish twitter and instagram users antisemitic? You’re not familiar with the “es-ex factor”, are you? It’s the idea behind “I can say this, but _you_ can’t.” To quote the folklorist Roger Welsch, > [@](#): > > In the field of folklore, we speak of the “Es-Ex Factor”, the important differences with things like jokes or insults when spoken within a cultural group (the _es_oteric part of the formula) and those directed at that group from outside (the _ex_oteric half of the factor). It’s one thing for me, a 100% German-Russian from the Volga Valley, to refer to myself and my people as “rooshens”; it is quite another when the term is used by an outsider, especially when it is meant not in jest but as an insult. When **Leo Bloom** says to his friends “Yo, Jewbro!”, he’s acknowledging his own membership in the disparaged class, and thus turning the slur back onto itself with irony. If I say “Yo, Jewbro!” to **Leo Bloom** , I may be attempting to do the same thing. Or I may be using it non-ironically and thus pejoratively. Since I’m not Jewish, **Leo** has no way of knowing. Thus I’m better avoiding it. So blacks can say “nigga” but whites can’t; Jews can call each other “yids” but _goyim_ can’t; gays can use “Nancy”, but straights can’t. We all do this - it’s why **Oakminster** (who’s from Mississippi) can use “redneck” without offending me; but _you_ can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/204 "2015-11-02T05:25:24Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > So blacks can say “nigga” but whites can’t; Jews can call each other “yids” but _goyim_ can’t; gays can use “Nancy”, but straights can’t. We all do this - it’s why **Oakminster** (who’s from Mississippi) can use “redneck” without offending me; but _you_ can’t. Actually, I suspect Dibble would not feel much guilt about using the term Rooinek, though I might be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/205 "2015-11-02T05:54:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Agreed.Not in Southern Africa, they weren’t. And we have the Apartheid-era race classification schemes to prove it - they were classified as Coloured, not African. Most racists, however, just lump them in with “blacks.” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/206 "2015-11-02T06:07:27Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > You’re not familiar with the “es-ex factor”, are you? It’s the idea behind “I can say this, but _you_ can’t.” I am. But some of those social media hits are also non-Jews (I gather - unless all the Blacks and Asians were Jews which is … possible but unlikely) referring to their Jewish friends with that hashtag. > [@Colibri](#): > > Most racists, however, just lump them in with “blacks.” Most racists are dumb. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/207 "2015-11-02T06:10:13Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Actually, I suspect Dibble would not feel much guilt about using the term Rooinek, though I might be wrong. I wouldn’t use it, actually - there are much more salty things to call Anglo-South Africans should I want to. However, I have no problem calling American rednecks, rednecks. But I don’t use “White trash” anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Grotonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c2a13f/32.png) [@Grotonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grotonian)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/208 "2015-11-02T06:10:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I’m not going to link… That is awesome. So you’ve got secret sources, eh, that prove the culpability of the Jews? Atta boy! > [@](#): > > I don’t sort by religion, I ignore by proven record of shittiness and focus on the hopefully redeemable - AEPi not having quite the record for shittiness that PiKE does, and their immediate positive response to being called out, makes them a more appropriate target for directing ire at. PiKE is a lost cause. This, too, is awesome. This is the angle you ought to play up – those Jews should be FLATTERED you insulted them. It was actually quite a compliment as the guys you really hate you simply ignore. Let those Jews know that for real contempt, you remain silent; but those you sorta like, you call names. Sounds like a solid plan. I like the way you think! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/209 "2015-11-02T06:15:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Most racists are dumb. Of course. That doesn’t mean that racists don’t consider them black. Pygmies, of course, would be considered “black” by almost everyone, even if you don’t. So would (for example) Somalis, who have similar skin tones to Khoisan. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/210 "2015-11-02T06:20:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Of course. That doesn’t mean that racists don’t consider them black. > > Pygmies, of course, would be considered “black” by almost everyone, even if you don’t. So would (for example) Somalis, who have similar skin tones to Khoisan. I am an artist, or, at least, I went to art school. Mixing greys browns and purples to get the exact hue of a “black” persons skin is a lot lot more interesting than trying to mix white pink and orange to get “white” people’s skin tone. ---
**Author:** ![Grotonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c2a13f/32.png) [@Grotonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grotonian)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/211 "2015-11-02T06:23:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > However, I have no problem calling American rednecks, rednecks. Amen, brother! Don’t you hate those poor people who work outside and end up with suntans and sunburns? Those poor people are always hanging around our cool places, pooring them up with their poor people shit. It’s like, “Hey Redneck! It’s 2015, can’t you get a job with air conditioning?!” Those rednecks are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/212 "2015-11-02T07:11:34Z")
Hey, if Yakub hadn’t made them so damn pale, they wouldn’t burn - take it up with him, not me. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/213 "2015-11-02T07:14:58Z")
> [@Grotonian](#): > > That is awesome. So you’ve got secret sources, eh, that prove the culpability of the Jews? Erm, no, their name on the poster proves the culpability of the Jewish frat. But I’m not going to link to my chat feed because it’s _my_ damn private chat feed. > [@](#): > > Atta boy! I told you (general you), I’m not Black… > [@](#): > > This, too, is awesome. This is the angle you ought to play up – those Jews should be FLATTERED you insulted them. It was actually quite a compliment as the guys you really hate you simply ignore. Let those Jews know that for real contempt, you remain silent; but those you sorta like, you call names. Sounds like a solid plan. I like the way you think! I never said they should be flattered. _Shame_ seems to have worked well enough. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/214 "2015-11-02T12:01:30Z")
dunno if serious or joking… “atta boy!” is orginarily used in non-racial ways. I doubt the poster used it to insult you, well, not to insult you as a Black, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/215 "2015-11-02T12:08:23Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > dunno if serious or joking… Joking. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/216 "2015-11-02T14:21:19Z")
I know Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks doesn’t like the word “thug.” But I thought most people kind of brushed that off because he was wrong about the word’s meaning. Thug isn’t used exclusively for black people. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/217 "2015-11-02T14:49:03Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I know Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks doesn’t like the word “thug.” But I thought most people kind of brushed that off because he was wrong about the word’s meaning. Thug isn’t used exclusively for black people. There is plenty of evidence that “thug” is becoming or has become racially charged. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/218 "2015-11-02T14:51:50Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > There is plenty of evidence that “thug” is becoming or has become racially charged. what allways seems to escape the people who insist that it is not a racist term: How can “thug” apply to a trash talking football player? What sort of criminality is involved in playing football? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/219 "2015-11-02T14:56:24Z")
I don’t watch football. I didn’t know people were calling football players thugs. I’ve only used the word for violent criminals or violent miscreants. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248/220 "2015-11-02T15:04:39Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I don’t watch football. I didn’t know people were calling football players thugs. I’ve only used the word for violent criminals or violent miscreants. > [@](#): > > **Article** > On Sunday night, Richard Sherman made a lot of people uncomfortable. Then on Monday, people said thug on TV more often than on any other day in the past three years. [article](http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-word-thug-was-uttered-625-times-on-tv-yesterday-1506098319) here are his [comments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOkTib5eVQ) (on YouTube) yes, he sounds angry. but since when does being angry make someone a “criminal”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tomndebb-please-explain-why-i-was-noted-for-saying-jew-bros/736248.md?page=12)