# Tonights special: apologist apoplexy du rjung **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 17, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068 "2006-05-17T03:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/241 "2006-05-25T14:47:41Z")
Hey! You were going to LEND me that biography! [QUOTE=UncleBeer] I don’t think I’ve seen Uke make more than a couple dozen serious political-type posts in the many years we’ve both been around here. [/QUOTE] I don’t participate in too many of the partisan political threads any more; one gets tired of spinning the wheels. I don’t tend to stray away from Cafe Society these days, and keep mostly to movies, music, books, and kitchen stuff. Incidentally, Scylla’s post a few weeks back on barbecuing spare ribs was right on the money. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/242 "2006-05-25T14:55:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Hey! You were going to LEND me that biography! Lend it? Hell, you can have it. There’s a reason so many copies were remaindered and it was only 3 bucks. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/243 "2006-05-26T01:18:11Z")
[QUOTE=UncleBeer] Scylla, geeze man. Let it go. This stupid little infraction, if that’s even what it was—the mods obviously don’t think so—ain’t worth all the self-aggravation, is it? [/quote] Let it go? I’m doing this for **You,** man. For **YOU!** ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/244 "2006-05-26T01:22:24Z")
[QUOTE=Ukulele Ike] I can see why you find that “openly hostile.” Never have I seen such vituperation levelled in the BBQ Pit. How come THAT comment bothered you so much more than the barrage of “Jesus H. Christ, Scylla, get a life!” and “Damn, Scylla, get up from the computer once in a while!” and “Hey, Scylla, do you _really_ have nothing better to do with your life?” posts? It’s not really just 'cause you’ve got a hardon for me, right? Me and my naturally wavy hair? [/QUOTE] Yes, I do have a hardon for you. Post 175 "Well, there is a contect and a history to my animosity towards Ike. I won’t go to the trouble to cite, but to summarize, he made a rather rude statement that I, and others interpreted to be an unwarranted personal attack on my abilities as a father. He claimed there was no such intent and offered to buy me a beer (I’m guessing it was a metaphorical beer.) Later though, he made the same sort of attack. Rather than attack back I asked him point black what his issue was, and invited him to discuss it with me in email, if he wished, with the purpose of resolving it. He did not reply either in that thread or email. So, when he makes his little drive by attacks, I make things as difficult for him as possible. I never go after him, but when he goes after me, I make a big deal of it. Hopefully, he’ll decide it ain’t worth it, and desist." ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/245 "2006-05-26T01:24:27Z")
[QUOTE=UncleBeer] I’m afraid I don’t quite understand Scylla’s antipathy towards, Uke, either. Although I’m pretty much every bit as tighty-righty as Scylla, and Uke’s a well-known pinko, fellow-traveller, commune-type green grocer, I get along with the guy just fine. Uke’s always had a hale humor about his own politics. [/quote] I think I explained it in my previous post. It’s got nothing to do with his politics. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/246 "2006-05-26T01:27:36Z")
[QUOTE=Ukulele Ike] Incidentally, Scylla’s post a few weeks back on barbecuing spare ribs was right on the money. [/QUOTE] I see you’ve had enough and are trying to ingratiate your way back into my good graces with flattery. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/247 "2006-05-26T12:37:27Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Let it go? I’m doing this for **You,** man. For **YOU!** [/QUOTE] _Sniff._ I _knew_ you loved me. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/248 "2006-05-26T16:27:54Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] I see you’ve had enough [/QUOTE] Nah. I could do this just _forever_. And it gratifies your constant need for attention. And the membership’s pleasure in mocking you. I never wrote you an e-mail because I just don’t like you, bro, and have no desire for a tete-a-tete. I rarely correspond with people I _do_ like. Just ask my legions of friends and admirers. And that beer? **Unc** and I drank it together. Because he likes me more than you. Even though I advocate that the federal government come and take away his handguns, private auto, and power tools. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/249 "2006-05-26T16:55:26Z")
[QUOTE=Ukulele Ike] And the membership’s pleasure in mocking you. [/QUOTE] I look at it as more of a duty than a pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/250 "2006-05-27T01:05:06Z")
[QUOTE=Ukulele Ike] Nah. I could do this just _forever_. [/quote] I gues you must have a lot of time on your hands. Why don’t you get a life? I notice we’ve been here about as long and you have as many posts as I. Shame so few of yours are memorable. > [@](#): > > And it gratifies your constant need for attention. I guess that’s what it comes down to, doesn’t it? You’re projecting. Your 10,000 posts really haven’t yielded much, have they? Are you jealous? > [@](#): > > I never wrote you an e-mail because I just don’t like you, bro, and have no desire for a tete-a-tete. I rarely correspond with people I _do_ like. Just ask my legions of friends and admirers. It’s not really about liking me. It’s about being an adult. The first time you went after me about my kids, several people called you on it. You backed off and apologized and offered to get me a beer. Later on, you did the exact same thing. **This** time you waited until a thread where I didn’t have supporters so you could get away with it. I found the disingenuous apology followed by the sneak attack to be pretty cowardly and cuntish. Since I had no idea why you had a bug up your ass about me, I offered you the chance to get it off your chest. You didn’t take it. To me, this means you’re really just being a pissy bitch and somehow get off on posting little drive-by’s when you can get away with it. I find this behavior to be particularly contemptible. So, I resolved to make as big a deal about it as I possibly could each and every time you did it. And I will. It gives me satisfaction. You see, I know I never did anything to you. You started this. You came after me. I was nice about it. You still did it. I know that jealous little bitchy people like you are common. Usually I ignore them, or respond if I feel so inclined, but I don’t take them too seriously. Why would I take them seriously? They really don’t offer much, other than criticism for others over things they don’t have the talent or courage to do themselves. You’re attacking me for spending time here is a reflection of your own self-loathing and feelings of worthlessness. You spend about the same. My post count isn’t particularly high based on the time I’ve been here and about the same as yours. The only problem you could really have with it is the problem you have with yourself. Anyway, I usually don’t worry too much about this, but since you’re a mod, I think you should be better, and not so petty and transparent, so I thought I’d make it an issue. I offered you the email to be a gentleman and in case you had a genuine issue. The fact that you’re just an asshole with a hardon for me is actually a lot easier than worrying that I’d seriously wronged you. Oh, I like you. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/251 "2006-05-27T01:42:04Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] I guess that’s what it comes down to, doesn’t it? You’re projecting. Your 10,000 posts really haven’t yielded much, have they? Are you jealous? [/QUOTE] Jealous? Of your _message board posts_? Hang on a second, I have to convince myself that I really read that. Okay…no, wait, more convincing…okay, done. **Scylla** …perspective. Get some. Your message board posts are not worthy of jealousy. That’s not a statement about their quality, that’s a statement about their inherent nature. Your message board posts are not worthy of jealousy. Neither are **Ike** ’s. Neither are mine. If Zombie James Joyce clawed out of his grave and signed up for a SDMB membership and shared his account with the ghost of Mark Twain, their posts wouldn’t be worthy of jealousy. They’re _message board posts_. Sometimes they are funny or memorable, sometimes the act of posting keeps us amused, sometimes we learn something…but jealousy? No. Dear God, no. Accomplishments, if anything, are worthy of jealousy but at best message board posts represent an accomplishment about as significant as pissing into the wind. 10000 or 12000 or 100000 is just more piss. The very possibility that you think **Ike** is jealous of you for your message board posts boggles the mind, and the fact that you can wrap that up in your prissy little righteousness is just breathtaking, but please get some perspective! ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/252 "2006-05-27T02:05:18Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] Jealous? Of your _message board posts_? Hang on a second, I have to convince myself that I really read that. Okay…no, wait, more convincing…okay, done. **Scylla** …perspective. Get some. Your message board posts are not worthy of jealousy. That’s not a statement about their quality, that’s a statement about their inherent nature. Your message board posts are not worthy of jealousy. Neither are **Ike** ’s. Neither are mine. [/QUOTE] Oh, I agree. I think it’s really fucking stupid. It doesn’t discount the possiblility that that’s what Ike’s problem is, though. People are stupid and pissy. And, as a point of fact, I have had some of my posts stolen and retroactively been accused of plagiarism by the stealer (fortunately I was able to prove they were original.) I’ve had them published, used by teachers in school, read over the radio, and been asked to have one turned into a film. So, I say without bragging or hyperbole that I’ve been pleasantly surprised that some of what I’ve done has been worthwhile and given pleasure to others, or been found useful. Sadly, the fact is that I have had to deal with jealousy. On the other side of the coin, I can sure be an asshole, which is why I offered Ike the opportunity to voice his issue if he had one. Since he didn’t, and since he attacked me as a parent without provocation more than once, apologized, and did it again, and continues to be a minor pain in the ass, I’ve decided to address it, seeing as he’s a mod and all and should know better. Jealousy? Wouldn’t be the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/253 "2006-05-27T04:33:35Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Oh, I agree. I think it’s really fucking stupid. It doesn’t discount the possiblility that that’s what Ike’s problem is, though. [/QUOTE] I see my point wasn’t quite clear, so I’ll be blunter. Assuming that **Ike** is out to get you is risible enough. (Be sure to guard your precious bodily fluids.) But further entertaining the notion that **Ike** is motivated by jealousy of you is a conceit. A large and pathetic one. If you wish, continue to shake your tiny fist at **Ike** and shout impotent curses at him, and then turn around and tell us it’s all about “being an adult”. I’m just trying to make you aware of how you look doing it: like a fop slapping people with a white glove and demanding satisfaction. > [@](#): > > On the other side of the coin, I can sure be an asshole… True. You were very much an asshole to me once. But reading your tirades against **Ike** has made it perfectly clear to me how pointless it was at the time for me to care: like worrying about the rantings of a man on a street corner, screaming about how the government is after his fillings. Sound and fury, **Scylla**. If you go to that well too many times in real life you become dangerous, but go to that well too many times on a freakin’ message board and you render yourself irrelevant. And that’s where you’ve gone. You occasionally tell an amusing story, but I don’t think I can ever take you seriously again. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/254 "2006-05-27T12:59:31Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] I see my point wasn’t quite clear, so I’ll be blunter. Assuming that **Ike** is out to get you is risible enough. (Be sure to guard your precious bodily fluids.) [/quote] Nyahh, I just think he’s being a dick opportunistically. > [@](#): > > But further entertaining the notion that **Ike** is motivated by jealousy of you is a conceit. A large and pathetic one. Why? Jealousy is pretty common. > [@](#): > > If you wish, continue to shake your tiny fist at **Ike** and shout impotent curses at him, and then turn around and tell us it’s all about “being an adult”. I’m just trying to make you aware of how you look doing it: like a fop slapping people with a white glove and demanding satisfaction. Sirrah! I happen to like that image. > [@](#): > > True. You were very much an asshole to me once. But reading your tirades against **Ike** has made it perfectly clear to me how pointless it was at the time for me to care: like worrying about the rantings of a man on a street corner, screaming about how the government is after his fillings. Well, if you were as pretentious and condescending then as you are now, I can see why we conflicted. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/255 "2006-05-27T16:18:23Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] Why? Jealousy is pretty common. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but usually when there’s something to be jealous of. That’s just not the case here. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/256 "2006-05-27T17:22:14Z")
Fucking hell **Scylla** , you’re a pompous twunt. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/257 "2006-05-27T17:54:48Z")
Twunt. Hmm. What is that, like [two holes for the price of one?](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twunt) ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/258 "2006-05-27T21:42:05Z")
**Scylla** , give it up. The only person looking like an asshole with a hardon for someone is you. Let the thread die. Grab a beer. Go enjoy a steak. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/259 "2006-05-27T21:46:37Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] Let the thread die. Grab a beer. Go enjoy a steak. [/QUOTE] or even grab a thread, let the steak die and go enjoy a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068/260 "2006-05-27T22:58:43Z")
[QUOTE=wring] or even grab a thread, let the steak die and go enjoy a beer. [/QUOTE] As long as nothing happens to the beer. Seems to be his next biggest obsession after Ike. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tonights-special-apologist-apoplexy-du-rjung/357068.md?page=14)