# Tony Blair belongs in the deepest pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187 "2004-07-21T15:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/1 "2004-07-21T15:45:15Z")
I just read this article in the Independent, [http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=543025](http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=543025) and I feel that I’ve just got to pit Tony Blair for telling the British people that we should _ **REJOICE** _ over the war in Iraq. As the article points out > [@](#): > > CAUSE FOR REJOICING? > > - British soldiers killed during Iraq war: 60 > > - British soldiers injured in the conflict: 2,200 > > - Iraqi soldiers killed: 6,370 (estimate) > > - Iraqi civilians killed: 13,000 (estimate) > > - Projected cost of reconstruction: £55bn > > - UK cost of war: £3.2bn > > - Annual cost of keeping UK troops in Iraq: £1.5bn > > - Percentage of Iraqis who would feel safer if US and UK troops left: 55 > > - Percentage of UK voters who believe Blair lied: 55 > > - Weapons of mass destruction found: 0 What exactly does he think we should be rejoicing about!!! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/2 "2004-07-21T16:03:20Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > What exactly does he think we should be rejoicing about!!! That zombies just ate your brains so he’ll get away with all this bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/3 "2004-07-21T16:24:15Z")
> [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](#): > > What exactly does he think we should be rejoicing about!!! Well you know, if we hadn’t have gone over there and invaded Iraq then they would have been launching that WMD arsenal at us in 45 minutes! Oh wait. That was all a big fucking lie wasn’t it? Oh, then obviously we should be rejoicing because we have deposed and arrested one of the main men behind the attacks on the World Trade Center, Al Qaeda and so many other terrorists! Oh, now I remember. Saddam not only had nothing to do with OBL, but Bin Laden actually despised Saddam for being a “secular infidel”. Plus, though he supported terrorist actions, there is still no proof whatsoever that he funded them _before_ the fact (yes, I am fully aware he gave money to widows of suicide bombers. Not before their attacks though) Ok, then perhaps we should be rejoicing over the fact that despite the fact the war was predicated on lies and the bloodlust of a warmongering US President, the Butler Report claims that Tony and his cronies were acting on good faith and should be absolved of all blame? After all, if you can’t trust Lord Butler to tell us the truth, whether he’s one of Tony’s friends or not, who can you trust? :rolleyes: Nah, fuck it. I can’t think of anything. Incidentally, despite the fact that he’s lost all credibility with more than half the country finally wising up and realising he’s the lying shitstain that he is, why do I get the horrible sinking feeling that Labour are still going to be in power come the next General Election, much like that fucknugget Bush across the pond? ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/4 "2004-07-21T16:37:18Z")
> [@Legolamb](#): > > lying shitstain That’s a good term for him - he is the pungent skidmark on Bush’s underpants!! ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/5 "2004-07-21T19:00:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Incidentally, despite the fact that he’s lost all credibility with more than half the country finally wising up and realising he’s the lying shitstain that he is, why do I get the horrible sinking feeling that Labour are still going to be in power come the next General Election, much like that fucknugget Bush across the pond? Because the country is populated by idiots who vote Labour no matter what out of spite for the Conservatives and the belief that a vote for Lib Dem is a wasted vote. If Blair ordered a nuclear attack on Wigan and other towns aroudn here, the population of the town would still vote Labour. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/6 "2004-07-21T19:15:07Z")
Grrrrr - my first thought (predictably enough, I suppose) was that it was jsut far too reminiscent of M. Thatcher. On reading the linked news site, I see, of course, that this was not lost on anybody. That’s something, I suppose. I really don’t know how he gets away with all this. Then again, would I want Howard in charge? Not that my vote will count for much anyway, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/7 "2004-07-21T23:02:05Z")
> [@+MDI](#): > > If Blair ordered a nuclear attack on Wigan and other towns aroudn here, the population of the town would still vote Labour. Are you sure? Because it seems to me that [these guys](http://www.bnp.org.uk) have pinned down the cockroach vote. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/8 "2004-07-21T23:54:10Z")
The current issue of _The Economist_ has a picture of Bush and Blair on the cover, with the headline “Sincere Deceivers.” Quite _apropos_, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/9 "2004-07-22T09:50:41Z")
I disagree most strongly with the thread title! You don’t want Blair in the deepest pit - too much trouble to fill it in afterwards. I reckon thirty feet should do the job … Steve “voting LibDem as the least of three evils” Wright. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/10 "2004-07-22T10:11:12Z")
> [@Legolamb](#): > > Well you know, if we hadn’t have gone over there and invaded Iraq then they would have been launching that WMD arsenal at us in 45 minutes! > > Oh wait. That was all a big fucking lie wasn’t it? This makes for a depressing read. [Timeline: The 45-minute claim](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3466005.stm) From > [@](#): > > “Iraq has **probably** dispersed its special weapons, including its CBW [chemical and biological warfare] weapons. Intelligence also indicates that from forward-deployed storage sites, chemical and biological munitions **could** be with military units and ready for firing within 45 minutes.” \*Bolding mine. \* to > [@](#): > > The dossier is published with a foreword from Tony Blair, which says: “The document discloses that his military planning allows for some of the WMD to be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them.” > > The prime minister tells MPs the intelligence concludes that Saddam Hussein “has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population”. The newspapers have front page stories about how Cyprus and even the UK is 45 mins away from destruction. No MP appears on TV or in a paper to correct these errors as the 45 min claim is about **field weapons** and not missiles with a range to hit any British troops outside of Iraq. > [@](#): > > Mr Hoon tells the inquiry it was suggested to him that the claim only referred to battlefield arms, not strategic weapons. > > Asked about why he had not corrected newspapers’ interpretation of the claim, Mr Hoon said it was hard to get the press to make corrections :rolleyes: If I was British I would have been a Labour voter all the way. I was a fan of Blair in the past but IMO he has to go. No politician should be let away with this kind of BS when it comes to war. If you want to bring your country to war put the **real** reasons out there and let the country decide. Lies, exaggerations, fear mongering and bullshit are not the foundations that a war should be built on. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/11 "2004-07-22T10:16:13Z")
When living in the UK, I vote LibDem on principle, and almost always have done. However - and this is a really really big step for me - I am so unutterably pissed off with Tony Blair over Iraq that I would actually consider holding my nose and voting Tory, if I felt it had a chance of unseating him. If Brown were in charge I’d have a different take on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/12 "2004-07-22T10:18:54Z")
> [@+MDI](#): > > Because the country is populated by idiots who vote Labour no matter what out of spite for the Conservatives and the belief that a vote for Lib Dem is a wasted vote. Well, let’s look at it like this: The LibDems are a small party, with no experience whatsoever of running a country, I wouldn’t say a LibDem vote is wasted, but if the LibDems split the Labour vote (as they are likely to do), we get the Conservatives getting in by default. Quite frankly, the thought of Michael Howard running this country is fucking scary. No thanks. Therefore, people will vote for Labour in a general election because of the following reasoning: If we use our vote as a protest vote against Labour, and vote for the LibDems instead, its more than likely that neither Labour nor the LibDems will command a majority large enough to form a government. However, the Conservatives could. Do we want another Conservative government, given the current state of the Tory Party? Hell no! So, its a case of the lesser of two evils… ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/13 "2004-07-22T12:28:11Z")
The Iraq war is about the only thing that I LIKE about Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, who in all other resoects is a faux-grinning, hair transplanted, face-lifted cuntmongering mouthbreathing fop. He’s a prick. (I’m not over he moon about any other Labour politicians either). It’s the whole argument about foxhunting that show him up for the cock-knocker that he is. It’s a relatively easy thing to hold an opinion on, and yet he abstains. Owl - who lives in a Lab/tory marginal seat and will do his bit for Britain when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/14 "2004-07-22T14:44:06Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > The LibDems are a small party, with no experience whatsoever of running a country, While the rest of your analysis is probably correct in terms of numbers and electability, i’m not sure why you felt the need to put this in. Firstly, parties that have decades of experience running countries (Labour and Tory, Democrat and Republican) have shown themselves perfectly able to fuck things up completely. What’s wrong with giving the new guys a shot? Secondly, the famous British civil servants makes sure that much of the mundane. day-to-day stuff gets done, so it’s not like electing a new government is somehow going to cause everything to grind to a halt. Much of what happens in the everyday life of a country gets done in spite of politicians, not because of them. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/15 "2004-07-22T14:45:27Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > While the rest of your analysis is probably correct in terms of numbers and electability, i’m not sure why you felt the need to put this in. Because, this is how a lot of voters think. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/16 "2004-07-22T14:53:38Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Owl - who lives in a Lab/tory marginal seat and will do his bit for Britain when the time comes. You mean, you’ll be voting against the Right Honourable Member for Transylvania, then? :: d & r really rather quickly :: ---
**Author:** ![owlstretchingtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/958977/32.png) [@owlstretchingtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/owlstretchingtime)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/17 "2004-07-22T15:08:25Z")
> [@Steve Wright](#): > > You mean, you’ll be voting against the Right Honourable Member for Transylvania, then? > > :: d & r really rather quickly :: Harrrumph! The constituency is Putney, so I have managed to bring myself to vote for David Mellor. After that anything is possible. (apart from voting for the sixth form politics of the Labour party - obviously) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/18 "2004-07-22T15:24:13Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > The constituency is Putney, so I have managed to bring myself to vote for David Mellor. And admitted it in public, yet! I salute your courage, though not your judgment … (I’ve never forgotten Clive James’s comment on Mellor, after his - ahem - indiscretions: “He bestrode the political world like a Colossus, with one foot in his mouth and one foot in hers.”) ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/19 "2004-07-22T15:30:41Z")
> [@owlstretchingtime](#): > > Harrrumph! > > The constituency is Putney, so I have managed to bring myself to vote for David Mellor. After that anything is possible. (apart from voting for the sixth form politics of the Labour party - obviously) :eek: Wow! I was born and raised in a conservative family, but I’m not sure even I could manage that feat. Kudos **owl** for going to any lengths to stop New Labour. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187/20 "2004-07-22T15:30:46Z")
Damned if I’ll vote for any of those three unwise monkeys. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-blair-belongs-in-the-deepest-pit/256187.md?page=2)