# Tony Goes To The White House **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 26, 2006, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233 "2006-04-26T01:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/21 "2006-04-26T16:30:11Z")
Um, has it EVER been any secret that Tony Snow is a conservative activist? This is a guy who used to fill in for Rush Limbaugh. He certainly wasn’t hired by Fox News because he was non-partisan. He’s been a conservative talking head for his entire media career, and anyone who thinks this move to the white house reveals any secret information is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/22 "2006-04-26T18:23:24Z")
> [@Boggette](#): > > I’m more surprised that anybody would accept this job. It’s the same job he’s been doing for many years. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/23 "2006-04-26T22:11:15Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > I asked the same thing about Jim Lehrer’s News Hour on PBS the day David Gergen took a position in the Clinton Administration. Did PBS use the slogan “Fair and Balanced”? I am surprised they didn’t sue FOX. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/24 "2006-04-26T22:28:59Z")
It seems like a good move for the Bush Administration. Snow’s a likable guy, and knows the media. If anyone can put lipstick on the pig, he’s the guy to do it. I don’t really see the outrage. Snow never made any secret of his conservative leanings. He’s leaving a conservative news outlet to work for a Republican president. What’s wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/25 "2006-04-26T23:45:50Z")
Nothing all that wrong with it. Just given the tone this board usually takes with Bush and anything associated with him, I figured this would end up here eventually. Guess I was mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/26 "2006-04-27T00:04:00Z")
> [@cerberus](#): > > A balanced diet of media is just like a nice bowl of Neopolitan ice cream: Left(Strawberry)l, Center(Vanilla) and Chocolate(Right). Chocolate is SO much better than strawberry (vanilla is for losers). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/27 "2006-04-27T00:36:39Z")
> [@Sean Factotum](#): > > Didn’t Snow work in the Bush I administration? Just another legacy appointment from what I can see, Yes, he was a speech writer for dear ol’ dad. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/28 "2006-04-27T00:55:05Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Just pointing out the bias in your argument, my dear. Damn right I am biased. However, I freely admit it. To me, Fox News and its “news” people for the most part are a few steps lower than what I scrape off the bottoms of my boots after I feed my chickens. ---
**Author:** ![Mayo\_Speaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mayo\_Speaks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayo_Speaks)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/29 "2006-04-27T01:19:07Z")
Snow’s always been openly conservative, and he’s now speaking for a conservative president. It makes sense. I actually _want_ the White House spokesman to be a total shill/spinmeister, regardless of party/ideology. That way, we get to hear the preident’s agenda in all its “glory.” I can watch the PC’s\* on C-SPAN and see exactly what the administration wants me to think. Then I can digest that and decide for myself whether or not it’s a crock of shit. If Snow’s good at shilling and staying “on message,” good for him. I guess my point is I want him to stay on point so that I can hear what the point actually is. - “Seeing as how the VP’s such a VIP, maybe we should keep the PC on the QT. Cause if it leaks to the VC, he could end up an MIA and then we’d all be put on KP.” - Good Morning, Vietnam ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/30 "2006-04-27T01:19:24Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Cite? Here’s some citeness for you… [http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190003](http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190003) > [@Media Matters](#): > > The many falsehoods of Tony Snow > > From his statement that evolutionary theory is a “hypothesis” to his defense of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Media Matters for America has documented numerous false and misleading claims advanced by Snow as a Fox News commentator: > > ``` > * Snow falsely asserted that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV said his wife, Valerie Plame, "wasn't covert for six years" before she was exposed as a CIA operative by syndicated columnist Robert Novak. > > * Snow put forward numerous falsehoods to argue that "[e]volutionary theory, like ID [intelligent design], isn't verifiable or testable. It's pure hypothesis." > > * Snow backed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's attacks on Kerry, falsely claiming, "[T]here has been no documentary contradiction of the Swift Boat stuff." > > ``` [http://mediamatters.org/items/200604220001](http://mediamatters.org/items/200604220001) > [@Media Matters](#): > > Even more Tony Snow falsehoods > > ``` > * Suggested Democrats objected to Bush's warrantless spying because they think the "government should not be able to listen to Al Qaeda" > > * Claimed that 2002 FISA review court opinion allowed for warrantless domestic surveillance > > * Claimed that Intel Committee "discovered" that Plame recommended Wilson for the Niger mission > > * Deemed Gitmo "the most humane prisoner-of-war facility in history" > > ``` I take it back… Tony is not just a liar, he is a lying scumbag. He’ll fit right in at the White House. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/31 "2006-04-27T01:29:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Here’s some citeness for you… > > [http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190003](http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190003) > > [http://mediamatters.org/items/200604220001](http://mediamatters.org/items/200604220001) > I take it back… Tony is not just a liar, he is a lying scumbag. He’ll fit right in at the White House. Pssst: The cite that was asked for is your statement that Snow never told the truth. But he’s been a conservative commentator for decades. Do you honestly think that your average liberal commentator couldn’t have decades of work picked to pieces to find lies, falsehoods, or other general garbage? Spend some time on a conservative web site, or even on [factcheck.org](http://factcheck.org), and you’ll see plenty of absues by liberal commentators. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/32 "2006-04-27T02:55:50Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Pssst: The cite that was asked for is your statement that Snow never told the truth. > > But he’s been a conservative commentator for decades. Do you honestly think that your average liberal commentator couldn’t have decades of work picked to pieces to find lies, falsehoods, or other general garbage? Spend some time on a conservative web site, or even on [factcheck.org](http://factcheck.org), and you’ll see plenty of absues by liberal commentators. I just don’t quite feel like playing “the equivalence game” right now. Except for one or two exceptions (such as William F Buckley), I’ve lost confidence in the “conservative” commentary over the years. Too many outright falsehoods, too much twisted or invented out of thin air. Too much of it deliberate. So no, I don’t wanna play “equivalence” right now. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/33 "2006-04-27T14:45:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I just don’t quite feel like playing “the equivalence game” right now. So you retract the statement then? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/34 "2006-04-27T15:15:45Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > So you retract the statement then? What for? I think he’s a dirtbag, like his buddies in the White House and Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/35 "2006-04-27T15:25:05Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > So you retract the statement then? Why is it that the only defence conservatives ever seem to offer is tu quoque? Do you guys care about doing the right thing, or do you think it won’t matter what you do so long as enough false equivalences are drawn? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/36 "2006-04-27T15:27:01Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > What for? I think he’s a dirtbag, like his buddies in the White House and Fox News. Careful there **SteveG1** , that attitude could cause **clothahump** to be _ashamed_ of you! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/37 "2006-04-27T15:29:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I just don’t quite feel like playing “the equivalence game” right now. Except for one or two exceptions (such as William F Buckley), I’ve lost confidence in the “conservative” commentary over the years. Too many outright falsehoods, too much twisted or invented out of thin air. Too much of it deliberate. So no, I don’t wanna play “equivalence” right now. If it’s only “conservative” commentators who do this, why not? Might I suggest that you tend to notice these things more and that they bother you more when done by folks whose politics you don’t share? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/38 "2006-04-27T16:49:04Z")
I notice the ones that piss me off or who are so blatantly obvious in their bullshit. I don’t feel the need to apologize, or feel bad, or any other thing about it. So what? Besides, this thread was not about any liberal commentators, it was specifically about SNOW. Stop the derailment attempts. Let’s look at some of the current “stars” of the so called conservative view, commentators, “news” personalities, and plain assholes… Michael Savage (not even his real name, it’s Michael Weiner) Rush Limbaugh (insert flaming Nazi gasbag joke here) Sean hannity Bill O’reilly (falafel boy) Ann Coulter David Horowitz James Dobson Michelle Malkin Tony Snow (for the reasons I already gave) Someone else can come up with a longer list. I’m not interested. From the article “The right wing’s summer of hate”: > [@Slate Magazine](#): > > The belligerent posturing of the right is not some underground phenomenon, but available daily in any city or town on the radio dial, or on TV, or in the pages of conservative publications, or in the Congress. … The rhetoric of abuse is not a sudden outburst, but has been well-designed for years. Republicans use these words and pursue these strategies consciously. … an entire mental universe has been conjured of sick, pathetic liberals, traitors against the flag and family, Even Slate gets it. Belligerant, well-designed, abuse, yada yada yada. So please explain why I should feel bad, or need to provide a pile of cites, merely to justify that they are a bunch of hateful dishonest scumbags? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/39 "2006-04-27T18:06:38Z")
Personally, I was rooting for Al Franken. It’s an outrage Al didn’t get the nod. Just another proof how corrupt Republican spoils machine is (if one needed one). ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233/40 "2006-04-27T18:24:35Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Why is it that the only defence conservatives ever seem to offer is tu quoque? Do you guys care about doing the right thing, or do you think it won’t matter what you do so long as enough false equivalences are drawn? I’m not defending anyone. I just don’t like it when someone says something dumb like “Snow never told the truth.” Sweeping generalizations don’t do anyone any good. Ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-goes-to-the-white-house/354233.md?page=3)