# Tony Kornheiser, STFU! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709 "2008-09-09T00:49:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/41 "2008-09-09T15:09:41Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The Packers got a lot of assistance from the zebras, like they always do against the Vikings. I’ve been hoping that with Favre gone, there won’t be so much ref bias towards the Packers. Maybe it’s become ingrained. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/42 "2008-09-09T15:14:41Z")
Kornheiser may have been sucking the Favre sack last night, but that’s only cuz the Patriots weren’t playing. Was watching the Chiefs/Pats game and the commentary was nearly unintelligible for all the Patriot cock being sucked. Cassel throws this lame duck, nearly end over end pass to Moss for a TD and the announcers deepthroated him with proclamations of the “perfect” pass. Good lord, I hadn’t seen a pass like that since I was playing flag football some \ years ago. … and then there was the announcement of the Pats 1st and goal situation… from their own 12 yard line… ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/43 "2008-09-09T15:15:23Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I’ve been hoping that with Favre gone, there won’t be so much ref bias towards the Packers. Maybe it’s become ingrained. Or maybe there wasn’t bias from the referees to the Packers last night. Just a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/44 "2008-09-09T15:20:59Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Or maybe there wasn’t bias from the referees to the Packers last night. Just a possibility. I couldn’t watch the game last night, so I’m going by what **Diogenes** said (I know, a questionable source :)), but still, my experience watching Packer games is certainly in line with his remark.) ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/45 "2008-09-09T15:27:32Z")
Bear’s fan, perchance? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/46 "2008-09-09T15:28:52Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Bear’s fan, perchance? You caught me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/47 "2008-09-09T15:31:34Z")
Thanks for not pointing out my bad grammar. Should be an interesting match up this year. I’ll take 3-13 if the two other wins come against the Bears. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/48 "2008-09-09T15:32:46Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Or maybe there wasn’t bias from the referees to the Packers last night. Just a possibility. Oh, don’t be silly. What about those back to back to back penalties that set the Vikings up for a 1st and 33 situation? Ya know? The one that included a holding call because the O lineman breathed on the defense wrong? Whadda meant that wasn’t against the Vikings? I actually expected a bit more of a melt down out of **DtC**. I’m kinda disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/49 "2008-09-09T15:45:05Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Thanks for not pointing out my bad grammar. If I did that, I’d setting myself up. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Should be an interesting match up this year. I’ll take 3-13 if the two other wins come against the Bears. You sound like my husband, in reverse. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/50 "2008-09-09T17:17:51Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > How about them Bears? Yeah! Go Bears… …And take the Chicago Fire with ya. Soccer. Oy. :rolleyes: Seconded, thirded and fourthed on Kornholster. HATE HATE HATE that fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/51 "2008-09-09T17:21:39Z")
Luckily, I wasn’t able to watch the game. But I do know the only thing about last nights game that sucked worse than Cornhole was Tavaris. On the radio, Pete Birsich (former coach) made a comment after one of his passes to the effect that “That’s something that every coach, from from grade school on up, teaches you _not_ to throw.” But it does bring up an interesting conundrum. Which would be more unbearable, Salisbury as replacement for Cornhole, or Salisbury as replacement for Jackson? ---
**Author:** ![Clovernook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ec9cab/32.png) [@Clovernook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clovernook)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/52 "2008-09-09T18:32:34Z")
You know what was worse? The late ESPN game, with Mike & Mike & Mike. I turned it off when they talked over each other for the 42nd time. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/53 "2008-09-09T22:40:53Z")
It’s not 168? Huh. I thought it was. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/54 "2008-09-09T22:42:17Z")
> [@Clovernook](#): > > The late ESPN game, with Mike & Mike & Mike. I turned it off when they talked over each other for the 42nd time.[/FONT] I thought they did a really good job during the San Fran/Arizona game in Mexico, and to be honest I was practically asleep for most of the Denver/Oakland game. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/55 "2008-09-11T03:08:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Naw, the Vikings still had a chance and blew it at the end. Don’t tell me you didn’t see that uncalled horse collar near the end there, though. **I also saw at least two uncalled facemasks against AP** , a couple of bounce passes ruled as complete. Ball carriers can’t commit a facemask penalty. He could pick a guy up by the face mask and spin him around if he wants legally. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/56 "2008-09-11T03:12:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Ball carriers can’t commit a facemask penalty. He could pick a guy up by the face mask and spin him around if he wants legally. I meant that they were _committed_ against AP. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/57 "2008-09-11T03:17:46Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Ball carriers can’t commit a facemask penalty. He could pick a guy up by the face mask and spin him around if he wants legally. I thought this as well, but I seem to remember a runner getting called for one either last season or the one before. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/58 "2008-09-11T03:21:00Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I thought this as well, but I seem to remember a runner getting called for one either last season or the one before. **SB** is exaggerating a bit. [Offensive players (ball carrier or not) have always been subject to the 15-yard personal foul facemask rule](http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6991F98103AFFDC19C5D136AE4C57F4E?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true)- the grabbing and twisting one. They were just exempt from the “incidental contact” (5 yard) variety. > [@](#): > > Grasping the facemask by all players, including offensive players, will continue to be strictly enforced. Specific attention is to be given to the runner who twists, turns, or pulls the facemask of the defender who is trying to make the tackle. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/59 "2008-09-11T15:30:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I meant that they were _committed_ against AP. Yeah, duh, my bad. AP is on the Vikings and all. I’ve heard people bitching before that there was no flag before when a running back stiff armed someone’s face mask. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709/60 "2008-09-11T15:35:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > They were just exempt from the “incidental contact” (5 yard) variety. I was about to say that there is no incidental contact facemark penalty any more, but that is college, isn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-kornheiser-stfu/462709.md?page=4)