# Tony Snow dies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243 "2008-07-12T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/201 "2008-07-13T02:54:06Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Should I find the thread where Dopers rejoiced over the killing of Saddam Hussein’s sons? Not all deaths are tragic, man. Sometimes the dead guy was an asshole. [/QUOTE] Hmmm…Uday and Qusay, known rapists and murderers, as well as torturers versus Tony Snow, a press secretary for the White House. Man, they seem equal in the evil department to me! Nice analogy! Perhaps you could dig up the Snow family’s email addy’s and send them your thoughts. I’m sure they’d appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/202 "2008-07-13T02:54:58Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] No, I’m not. You’re trying to weasel out of it and failing badly. [/QUOTE] Read the fucking exchange, douchebag. You’re making yourself look stupid. Let’s follow the chain, shall we, starting with you: > [@Q.E.D](#): > > Be that as it may, rejoicing in his suffering until he died puts you squarely at his level. I’m truly disgusted with you. Then me: > [@](#): > > Like I said upthread. I didn’t really, literally rejoice in his suffering. That’s the only thing I’ve said in this thread that I regret. It wasn’t true. It was said from spite. Notice I did not quibble with the characterization of “rejoicing,” even though it wasn’t the precise word I had used. Now **Frank** speaks: > [@Frank](#): > > You still stand by this, which did not contain the word “rejoice”? > > > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > > > I’m glad it was something as painful and undignified as colon cancer and I hope he suffered. Do you see what’s going on yet? **Frank** is either quibbling with semantics at this point or is under the impression that I was expressing regret for some other post beside the one that both you and I had just been talking about. My response to **Frank** > [@](#): > > I never actually used the word “rejoice” in any post. That was other peoples’ characterization of that statement in my first post, and that is the statement I didn’t mean and wish I hadn’t said. I wasn’t really “glad” he suffered. Do you get it now? I wasn’t “weaselling,” I was clarifying that the statement **Frank** was quoting was _one and the same_ as the post YOU referred to as _rejoicing_…a characterization which _I did not object to_. Is this penetrating? I was trying to make it clear that there was no _other_ post and that what **Frank** was quoting from WAS the post which I was expressing regret for. Are we clear now? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/203 "2008-07-13T03:00:04Z")
I thought you were dropping out of this thread. What happened, liar? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/204 "2008-07-13T03:05:55Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Gee, maybe all us mods should just skip along. Am I uppity? I am _not_ talking to _you_ as a mod, however. I am talking to you as a fellow human being who is disgusted at your support of someone who is happy that another human being died a painful and horrible death. What did you do to insult me? Guess. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you will be so kind as to offer me a list of approved opinions that I am permitted to express without offering a direct insult to you. See, generally, when I wish to insult someone, I usually do it straight up. I’m not tricky enough to insult somebody by defending somebody else, that’s just a bit too abstract for a country boy. I think Brett Favre’s being kind of a dick. OK with you that I think that? I think Hydrox are vastly better than Oreos. Nothing personal! Perhaps you a have a list of people I can defend when they say something you disapprove of, so that you are not personally insulted. Really, **Frank** , that’s nuts. I didn’t insult you, I didn’t even directly address you until you asked me questions. I sure as\* hell \* didn’t start calling you a cocksucker! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/205 "2008-07-13T03:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] This unit is not accepting abstract hijacks, especially those posed for no other apparent purpose but to imply that I am a hypocrite. Access denied. [/QUOTE] It was just a question. You’re the one who brought up the idea that certain people deserve to suffer, so there is no hijack. And it’s not hypocritical to hold conflicting views. You argue passionately that all humans should be treated equally. And then you blithely tell us that some deserve to suffer. Doesn’t make sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/206 "2008-07-13T03:16:22Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Do you get it now? I wasn’t “weaselling,” I was clarifying that the statement **Frank** was quoting was _one and the same_ as the post YOU referred to as _rejoicing_…a characterization which _I did not object to_. Is this penetrating? I was trying to make it clear that there was no _other_ post and that what **Frank** was quoting from WAS the post which I was expressing regret for. Are we clear now? [/QUOTE] No, I think **Frank** is saying he doesn’t believe you when you say you weren’t literally rejoicing nor that you sincerely regret it. And even if he isn’t, I am. I’ve seen you post this kind of shit too often to think it’s just you shooting your mouth off without thinking anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/207 "2008-07-13T03:17:43Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Really, **Frank** , that’s nuts. I didn’t insult you, I didn’t even directly address you until you asked me questions. I sure as\* hell \* didn’t start calling you a cocksucker! [/QUOTE] You are mindlesslessy, even slavishly, defending **DtC** ’s view. A disgusting view. I guess I don’t see why you are not the equivilant of Herr Goebbels. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/208 "2008-07-13T03:29:30Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] No, I think **Frank** is saying he doesn’t believe you when you say you weren’t literally rejoicing nor that you sincerely regret it. And even if he isn’t, I am. I’ve seen you post this kind of shit too often to think it’s just you shooting your mouth off without thinking anymore. [/QUOTE] Now you’re changing your line of attack. Why not just admit you were wrong and you misunderstood something? **Frank** didn’t say he didn’t believe my sincerity. He said “what about THIS post,” as if it was a _separate_ post from the one you characterized as “rejoicing.” ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/209 "2008-07-13T03:32:48Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Now you’re changing your line of attack [/QUOTE] Not at all, and I stand by it. You can ask **Frank** what he actually meant; perhaps it is as you say, but that doesn’t change my position. You’ll have to take that up with him. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/210 "2008-07-13T03:38:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] **Frank** didn’t say he didn’t believe my sincerity. He said “what about THIS post,” as if it was a _separate_ post from the one you characterized as “rejoicing.” [/QUOTE] I’d consider that the post I quoted was “rejoicing”; I would not consider that your characterization of it in later posts was anything more than back-pedaling. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/211 "2008-07-13T03:46:45Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] You are mindlesslessy, even slavishly, defending **DtC** ’s view. A disgusting view… [/quote] Be that as it may, how is that an insult to _you_? Did I say “DtC has a point, and Frank is a dick”? No, don’t think so. Did I say “DtC is a bit vexed, he’ll calm down, and, oh, Frank is a yellow-eyed pizzle sucking Aggie”? Not as I recall. So absent any direct reference to your sorry ass, without even \*mentioning \* you, how in the bleeding gums of Og did I insult you? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/212 "2008-07-13T03:52:04Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] I’d consider that the post I quoted was “rejoicing”; I would not consider that your characterization of it in later posts was anything more than back-pedaling. Does that help? [/QUOTE] No, because it has no relationship to reality or to what you’ve actually said. If you understoood that my first post was one and the same as the one **Q.E.D.** characterized as “rejoicing,” then why did you single it out and say it did not contain the word “rejoice?” I AGREE that a couple of lines in my first post could be accurately characterized as “rejoicing.” As I said, those particular lines are the only ones I regret. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/213 "2008-07-13T03:54:44Z")
Well, if you were amongst sinners, saying you regret it would be good enough. But this is a tough room. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/214 "2008-07-13T03:58:22Z")
I’m starting to wonder if this “Minnesota nice” I keep hearing about is just bullshit. I sure don’t see much of it here. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/215 "2008-07-13T03:58:30Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Well, if you were amongst sinners, saying you regret it would be good enough. [/QUOTE] It would be, indeed, if it were not **Dio** ’s perennial habit to say nasty things and later “regret” them–only after being piled on for it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/216 "2008-07-13T03:59:09Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Be that as it may, how is that an insult to _you_? Did I say “DtC has a point, and Frank is a dick”? No, don’t think so. Did I say “DtC is a bit vexed, he’ll calm down, and, oh, Frank is a yellow-eyed pizzle sucking Aggie”? Not as I recall. So absent any direct reference to your sorry ass, without even \*mentioning \* you, how in the bleeding gums of Og did I insult you? [/QUOTE] Why do you act so bewildered, **elucidator**? One is known by the company one keeps, after all. You are attempting to defend a leftist for his unacceptable views that a painful and suffering death are merely due retribution to his opponents; I am a leftist; I do not care to be associated with those views. How does it not insult me to imply that, as a leftist, I am also a holder of those views? Which you have! You have implied that all of us who feel strongly (in a negative way) about the Bush administration should feel that all members of the aforesaid should die a horrible and lingering death. You have defended someone who has stated that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/217 "2008-07-13T04:01:33Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] I’m starting to wonder if this “Minnesota nice” I keep hearing about is just bullshit. I sure don’t see much of it here. [/QUOTE] I think anyone with any form of Obama in their location field is a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/218 "2008-07-13T04:18:22Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] I’m starting to wonder if this “Minnesota nice” I keep hearing about is just bullshit. I sure don’t see much of it here. [/QUOTE] I’m not from Minnesota. I’m from the deep south. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/219 "2008-07-13T04:19:54Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] I think anyone with any form of Obama in their location field is a fucking moron. [/QUOTE] You’re killing an ant with a grenade here, man. You just insulted a whole bunch of posters who haven’t done a thing to deserve it. Point the gun at _me_, ok. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/220 "2008-07-13T04:24:17Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] I think anyone with any form of Obama in their location field is a fucking moron. [/QUOTE] In my opinion that sort o thing would be more usefully expressed in a sig. 🙂 What the hell, I bet my sig offends far more folks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=12)