# Tony Snow dies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243 "2008-07-12T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/21 "2008-07-12T16:04:15Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Weasel out of what? [/QUOTE] A disgusting position you take, and then when showered with near unanimous opprobrium you backpedal, contort, slither shuck and jive. Well, not this time, blackheart. Fuck you and the slug you rode in on. And seriously, you should see a psychiatrist. But you won’t. And I’m kinda glad. Living the remainder of your life as your low self seems to be the best justice that could be meted out. I just hope it’s a long one. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/22 "2008-07-12T16:04:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] There’s a difference between mere disagreement and active participation and collaboration with the worst kinds of criminal activity. [/QUOTE] You know the press secretary doesn’t actually participate in setting policy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/23 "2008-07-12T16:06:26Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] A disgusting position you take, and then when showered with near unanimous opprobrium you backpedal, contort, slither shuck and jive. Well, not this time, blackheart. Fuck you and the slug you rode in on. And seriously, you should see a psychiatrist. But you won’t. And I’m kinda glad. Living the remainder of your life as your low self seems to be the best justice that could be meted out. I just hope it’s a long one. [/QUOTE] Don’t you have a klan rally to go to? Don’t worry, dawg. I ain’t backing off of shit. I don’t care what anybody thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/24 "2008-07-12T16:08:12Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] You know the press secretary doesn’t actually participate in setting policy, right? [/QUOTE] But he sells it. Snow knew he was selling lies running interference for criminal behavior. He could have quit. He chose to collaborate instead. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/25 "2008-07-12T16:10:34Z")
The man had two daughters and a son, who loved him. Jeezus, what the hell’s wrong with you, **Dio**? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/26 "2008-07-12T16:13:56Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Don’t you have a klan rally to go to? Don’t worry, dawg. I ain’t backing off of shit. I don’t care what anybody thinks. [/QUOTE] Oh but you do. That’s why you somehow tried to insult me about going to a klan rally? :rolleyes: And that’s why you’re trying to defend yourself. So please, keep digging. I’d say that most other posters see this as a day any respect people—of both sides—might have had for you plummeted severely, never to be retrieved. You can’t see that right now, you think it’s just another disagreement, but you will. Eventually. And when you do, please remember that magellan01 was the one who foretold it. Okay, scumbag? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/27 "2008-07-12T16:13:56Z")
[QUOTE=Darth Nader] The man had two daughters and a son, who loved him. Jeezus, what the hell’s wrong with you, **Dio**? [/QUOTE] Nothing. I’m just not a hypocrite. I couldn’t stannd him when he was alive and I’m not going to pretend I feel sorry for him now. He doesn’t deserve any eulogies. He had kids? So what? So does Osama bin Laden. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/28 "2008-07-12T16:15:17Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] Oh but you do. That’s why you somehow tried to insult me about going to a klan rally? :rolleyes: And that’s why you’re trying to defend yourself. So please, keep digging. I’d say that most other posters see this as a day any respect people—of both sides—might have had for you plummeted severely, never to be retrieved. You can’t see that right now, you think it’s just another disagreement, but you will. Eventually. And when you do, please remember that magellan01 was the one who foretold it. Okay, scumbag? [/QUOTE] Respect? That’s a laugh. I’ve never been respected around here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/29 "2008-07-12T16:17:01Z")
I never got the impression Snow was a bad guy for a RW radio host (not like, say, Limbaugh), he was even a talented journalist in some ways, but as WHPS, trying to put a presentable face on the Bush Admin’s lies and crimes, he was waaaaay out of his depth. It’s like he was wearing this “What have I gotten myself into?!” expression every press conference. Which speaks rather well of him, when you think about it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/30 "2008-07-12T16:21:32Z")
Everybody Dance Now!!! 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![ossity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b3f665/32.png) [@ossity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ossity)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/31 "2008-07-12T16:21:54Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] A disgusting position you take, and then when showered with near unanimous opprobrium you backpedal, contort, slither shuck and jive. Well, not this time, blackheart. Fuck you and the slug you rode in on. And seriously, you should see a psychiatrist. But you won’t. And I’m kinda glad. Living the remainder of your life as your low self seems to be the best justice that could be meted out. I just hope it’s a long one. [/QUOTE] How does this differ from what Diogenes the Cynic said? You want someone you disagree with to suffer as much as possible. As for Mr. Snow, I liked him years ago. I thought he seemed more thoughtful and willing to discuss issues than most pundits. But that was before, I think, the money started flowing so freely to pundits. It’s harder to be a really big name in punditry without being easily digestible. So he became digestible. I won’t follow this analogy any further. I think the same phenomenon can be seen on the internet. We can become parodies of ourselves and lose our capacity, or willingness, for thoughtfulness. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/32 "2008-07-12T16:27:41Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Respect? That’s a laugh. I’ve never been respected around here. [/QUOTE] Yes, you have. I can personally guarantee that. You are weary, brother, the struggle has taken its toll. Hatred constipates your _karma_, rots your soul. Time to back away. Pick wildflowers, watch a baby sleep, a little music, a little laughter. If we hate them, we _are_ them. Beware. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/33 "2008-07-12T16:27:46Z")
His job was to lie and apologize for the evil of his masters. To lie to me, in whose name the evil was being committed. When he stopped doing that he went to Fox “News” to continue shilling for the souless morons in the White House. The world would be a better place if the corrupt people in power couldn’t find anyone to stand before the public and try to justify their evil. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/34 "2008-07-12T16:28:23Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] But he sells it. Snow knew he was selling lies running interference for criminal behavior. He could have quit. He chose to collaborate instead. [/QUOTE] I think this administration has done some incredibly evil things, but this type of statement is, frankly, a bit psycho. The people who set policy and took the actions have a whole different level of responsibility than the people who supported them, whether by working for them in a lower level role or by voting/campaigning/arguing for them. The latter do hold the responsibility of aligning themselves politically with a group who caused significant harm to others, but they’re not “collaborators” and we shouldn’t wish painful deaths upon them. Doing so makes you look like a hateful lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/35 "2008-07-12T16:31:20Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] Doing so makes you look like a hateful lunatic. [/QUOTE] 30,000 posts and you’re only now beginning to recognize this? I got tired of this routine in 2002. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/36 "2008-07-12T16:35:09Z")
Two of the great risks in life are: [ul] [li]Becoming what we pretend we are[/li][li]Becoming what we hate[/li][/ul] ISTM that Snow may have succumbed to the first. **Dio** appears to have succumbed to the second. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/37 "2008-07-12T16:35:58Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] as WHPS, trying to put a presentable face on the Bush Admin’s lies and crimes, he was waaaaay out of his depth. [/QUOTE] I got a nice Ron Ziegler vibe from the man. He certainly didn’t have an enviable job, but he did it better than the man he replaced, or the woman that came after. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/38 "2008-07-12T16:37:18Z")
You leave Dana Perino alone! She tries so\* hard\*! And all you do is tear her down! You bastards! (sob) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/39 "2008-07-12T16:38:21Z")
I’m not going to back off of anything, but in light of **'lucy’s** post, I’m going to drop out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/40 "2008-07-12T16:41:18Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Respect? That’s a laugh. I’ve never been respected around here. [/QUOTE] I\* respect your posts on here (and if it is you posting on another forum with the same nick, there too), but sometimes you make it difficult. Posting intemperate sentiment like that is something you would expect to see on, say, the average Ted Kennedy thread on Free Republic. Is that how you want to be perceived? Do you really want to give a drooling moron like **magellan01** ammunition? - Not that you know or care who I am, but still man, you’ve got a brain - just engage it a bit more consistently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=3)